TN: Riojas plus a few others.

Loren Sonkin

Loren Sonkin
Last night my Tasting group met to drink some Rioja wines. This particular group tends to drink more Bordeaux and Burgundy, but has recently been branching out more. Of course, one member decided to go to Florida just so he could avoid the tasting (or so rumor has it). The wines were served blind with a bit of food and cheeses. We enjoyed them over 3 hours. I think I probably liked the wines more than the group as a whole but in any event, there was little unanimity on favorites.

Our host Dick started us off with two whites:
2006 Dehlinger Chardonnay Sees Selection
Light golden in color. The nose has some sulfur, slight grapefruit and a bit of white flower (English Hawthorn?) notes (we had such a tree on my front lawn growing up). The nose is more Lemon chiffon. A nicely complex chard with just a slight bitterness on the finish.

2006 Dehlinger Chardonnay Estate
Slightly deeper gold in color. The nose is more seltzer and limes. Nice texture. This is more recognizable as California. It has more of everything than the Sees but really the two are virtually the same. A bit more bitter on the finish. I am not a huge Cal Chard fan and this was a nice one, but not my favorite style. I think the group preferred this one though.

The Riojas:
1994 La Rioja Alta Gran Riserva 904
Garnet in color, clear and bright. The nose has an earthy funk to it with cherries and vanilla. Some tobacco. On the palate, this is lovely with complex layering of cherries, dill, tobacco and earth. Nice finish. Traditional wine that split the group, some loved it others hated it.

2000 Conde de la Salceda Reserva
Made by Chivite, the Navarra based winery, but this is a Rioja. Deep purple /ruby in color, mostly opaque and bright. The nsoe has some funk with cherries and vanilla. With air, this has lots of Faygo Red Pop. Soft texture. Black cherries and Iodine. Nice complexity. Long finish. Very nice wine.

1998 Muga Prado Enea
Ruby in color with black streaks, Mostly clear and bright. The nose is dusty with cherries, vanilla and dill. With air some tobacco comes out. Traditional cine. Juicy texture with cherries and black cherries and some tobacco on the palate.

1996 Remirez de Ganuza Reserva
Garnet/purple in color, mostly opaque and bright. The nose takes a second then explodes. For some that was horrible, for Ken and I, it was great. There is certainly some brett here, but I did not find it that much. This has a nice burgundy quality to it with merde, black cherries and then also some tobacco. Juicy texture. Lots of fruit but drinking young with tight layering. Plenty of tannins to resolve. Long finish. This was the groups last place wine but also got two first place votes. For me, this was one of the best wines I have had in a while. I would never guess it to be Rioja (or even Spain), more likely northern Rhone or perhaps Burgundy.

1991 Castillo Ygay Gran Reserva Especial
Garnet in color, clear and bright. The nose has black cherries, camphor and a good bite of alcohol. On the palate, cherries and eucalyptus. Kens mentioned Graham Crackers on the nose and after he said that, I did notice it. Odd. Long finish with some tannins. Showing some age but not 18 years.

2004 San Vincente
Purple in color with glints of ruby, opaque and bright. The nose is cherry milk shake. Very modern in style with raspberries, cherries and slightly sweet. Some heat. I really liked this wine, it was the groups WOTN, but this could have been from California or Oz. Nothing indigenous about this. That said, it is well made, hedonistic and needs a few years.

2003 El Puntido
Purple in color, shimmering bright. The nose is tight, with air it plays out as candied cherries. Juicy texture. This has a wall of tannins. Big cherry fruit. This is young and needs plenty of time. Right now it is a tannic fruit bomb. I see lots of potential, but I found this wine too over the top. Of course, the group found it just right and this was the groups #2 wine. I think in 5 years, I will like it much better.

Dick finished us off with Poached pears dotted with Grains of Paradise (fascinating spice) and
1997 Suduiraut Sauternes
Orange gold in color, clear and bright. The nose has honey and oranges. Thick and not cloying. Slightly lacking acidity if I was going to nit-pick. Flavors of honeyed apricots. The finish is a bit clipped. Very nice wine.
 
originally posted by Loren Sonkin:
1996 Remirez de Ganuza Reserva
Garnet/purple in color, mostly opaque and bright. The nose takes a second then explodes. For some that was horrible, for Ken and I, it was great. There is certainly some brett here, but I did not find it that much. This has a nice burgundy quality to it with merde, black cherries and then also some tobacco. Juicy texture. Lots of fruit but drinking young with tight layering. Plenty of tannins to resolve. Long finish. This was the groups last place wine but also got two first place votes. For me, this was one of the best wines I have had in a while. I would never guess it to be Rioja (or even Spain), more likely northern Rhone or perhaps Burgundy.

Years ago when I used to argue with Victor about such things, this was the archetype for our argument. Not because it was the most modern, but because it was modern (there were plenty of modern wines that were just lame) but also seemed to be trying really hard to do something. Something seemed not quite right to me and it doesn't surprise me that it turned out to be a mess.

You seemed to like it, but your last sentence says a lot to me.

I wonder if Victor would argue today, as he did then, that this may be exactly what that terroir should taste like if farmed properly and made like "real" wine.

I'd love to taste a vertical of those, just to see.

Here's an idea, for Victor's next trip to the States, why don't we get him to select a selection of the best of these "moderns" (awful term, but what can you do) from the 90s and lets source them and sit down and see.

I, for one, am curious to see how it all turned out and am open-minded about the conclusions to be drawn.
 
A bit of year-end culling. Torre Muga 1996! Modern? Heck yeah! I believe that the bottle is designed to club baby seals after drinking.

Ya know it was surprisingly ok, maybe a Kane B+.

Not overly hot at 13.5. A tiny bit of remaining wood, but plenty of fruit along the cherry line, no astringency, and a very nice acidic spine.

Not that I would encourage people to rush out to buy any. Unless you've got a baby seal infestation.
 
On the subject of Rioja, anyone tried "Coto Real"? I like the lesser bottlings from El Coto, but have yet to have this one. Usually the modern crap goes into LAN, so I have some hope that it is still real wine.
 
originally posted by :
On the subject of Rioja, anyone tried "Coto Real"? I like the lesser bottlings from El Coto, but have yet to have this one. Usually the modern crap goes into LAN, so I have some hope that it is still real wine.

sorry, what's the connection between el coto and lan ? can't make one, TIA
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by :
On the subject of Rioja, anyone tried "Coto Real"? I like the lesser bottlings from El Coto, but have yet to have this one. Usually the modern crap goes into LAN, so I have some hope that it is still real wine.

sorry, what's the connection between el coto and lan ? can't make one, TIA

That question will probably go unanswered.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by :
On the subject of Rioja, anyone tried "Coto Real"? I like the lesser bottlings from El Coto, but have yet to have this one. Usually the modern crap goes into LAN, so I have some hope that it is still real wine.

sorry, what's the connection between el coto and lan ? can't make one, TIA

That question will probably go unanswered.

don't give up hope, we can always check with sir andrew wiles.
 
I tried the 94 La Rioja Alta at a Chambers Street tasting a few weeks ago and loved it. Have never enjoyed the smell/taste of American oak (something I usually don't like) as much as here. Took a bottle home with me to Sao Paulo and will be opening it sometime in the next month or so.
 
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