Lapierre 'Cuve Mathieu'?

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MLipton

Mark Lipton
While picking up some wines in Chicago on Saturday, I stumbled across a bottling from the redoubtable Marcel Lapierre that was unfamiliar to me: 2007 Marcel Lapierre Morgon 'Cuve Mathieu' It is imported by Michael Corso Selections of Oak Park, IL and is a sulfured cuve as denoted by the S on the back label. Naturally, I picked one up for scientific purposes, but can anyone supply a back story for this wine? Any substantive differences between this and the cuve normale?

Mark Lipton
 
Guilhaume mentioned recently that Lapierre bottles a sulfured 750ml Morgon for a "Chicago importer". I'd guess that's what you've found. I was under the impression it was from the Cote de Py and not a special selection or anything of that sort.

Also per the digger, the Cuvee Marcel Lapierre is "a selection of older vines, only made only in riper vintages."
 
originally posted by slaton:
Guilhaume mentioned recently that Lapierre bottles a sulfured 750ml Morgon for a "Chicago importer". I'd guess that's what you've found. I was under the impression it was from the Cote de Py and not a special selection or anything of that sort.
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There's always been a Chicago importer, but I have also had an '07 Morgon from Lapierre (through that importer) that lacked the neck label proclaiming it a 'Cuve Mathieu.' That regular issue Morgon also bears the S on the back label. I have enough respect for M. Lapierre to believe that the neck label is not devoid of significance.[/quote]

Mark Lipton
 
The CML is a selection from older vines on the CdPy, so is the 3,14, and now with the prices for each I think we've achieved both the Therapy and eBob definitions of "cult Beaujolais."

Um, yay?
 
By the way the Cuvee Marcel LaPierre is available stateside, or was, if you know who to ask. Me and Guilhaume had a bottle about two weeks ago.
 
originally posted by slaton:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
By the way the Cuvee Marcel LaPierre is available stateside, or was, if you know who to ask.
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When I inquired at KLWM I was told that Guilhaume bought them all.
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When I saw the $42 tariff in the KL newsletter, it wasn't hard to pass on it.
 
The 'Cuvee Marcel' is certainly a special from very old vines and is around 75% more expensive than the regular bottling. It is also referred to as MMVII [which may also appear on the label?] which one assumes is the vintage. All the TNs to date have been very appreciative despite the high tariff. It would be interesting to know what the consumers here thought.

The 'Cuvee Mathieu' is something of a mystery and is the subject of a similar thread running on the Tanzer site - with no answers as yet. The accompanying TN was essentially 'disappointed'.

Lapierre [Marcel et Mathieu as styled on their website] are also using bought in grapes for another [recent] cheaper cuvee - the Pays des Gaules - about which there is less mystery and more comments mostly quite positive.
 
Does the regular stuff suffer from the withdrawal of the old vines juice? Do we know the scale of the different productions?
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
Does the regular stuff suffer from the withdrawal of the old vines juice? Do we know the scale of the different productions?
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in the ripe years, he keeps some of py separated,for cuvee marcel lapierre(05, 07) so yes, there is less py 9and old vines) in the regular cuvee then.
I don't remember tasting a cuvee "mathieu", but marcel showed us a few young vineyards in morgon, that were for his son to play with. If it's bottled "morgon" i assume they are vines they own, and that are a little older than the vdp ones.
 
originally posted by slaton:
Cory, when I inquired at KLWM a few weeks ago I was told that Guilhaume bought them all.
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Typical, every time I want a bottle from KLWM, it is sold out...

Otherwise, I have seen a very knowledgeable taster comment that Josh Raynold's review of the Cuvee Marcel, where he described it as almost "Chambolle Musigny like", was pretty accurate...
 
originally posted by MLipton:
Lapierre 'Cuve Mathieu'?While picking up some wines in Chicago on Saturday, I stumbled across a bottling from the redoubtable Marcel Lapierre that was unfamiliar to me: 2007 Marcel Lapierre Morgon 'Cuve Mathieu' It is imported by Michael Corso Selections of Oak Park, IL and is a sulfured cuve as denoted by the S on the back label. Naturally, I picked one up for scientific purposes, but can anyone supply a back story for this wine? Any substantive differences between this and the cuve normale?

Mark Lipton
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I'm curious about this, too. I saw a few bottles over at Binnys on Grand a few weeks ago. I asked one of the guys on the floor if he knew anything about the story behind the 'Cuvee Mathieu'. He didn't, of course. I have a feeling there really isn't anything to them. I know that they are the bottles that Sam's was carrying; now they are Binnys. Sam's seemed to always have some sort of different 'cuvee' for many wines (although they were always something like 'sams cuvee'). Personally, I have a feeling they are the same as the normal bottling (they both have the same back label; with 'S' and date being the same), just that these have the 'Cuvee Mathieu' front sticker. My guess is that it is all marketing bs. But, I would love to find out the real story.
 
originally posted by Carl Steefel:
originally posted by slaton:
Cory, when I inquired at KLWM a few weeks ago I was told that Guilhaume bought them all.
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Typical, every time I want a bottle from KLWM, it is sold out...

Otherwise, I have seen a very knowledgeable taster comment that Josh Raynold's review of the Cuvee Marcel, where he described it as almost "Chambolle Musigny like", was pretty accurate...
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Chambolle-Musigny like? Maybe...but honestly it still tastes like cru beaujoulais excpet much more serious. It's definitely a different expression on Morgon, but still Morgon.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
Oh, that Josh Raynolds guy, what does he know?
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Maybe nothing, but the other guy certainly did (which was my point).

I was wondering otherwise about the comparison to Burgundy, as against the Cuvee Marcel (over 100 year old vines apparently) tasting like high quality Beaujolais...
 
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