Brun Beaujolais and Ppire going back to Regular Cork

Joe Dressner

Joe Dressner
All the 2009 wines from Brun and the second bottling on from Ppire 2009s will come in regular corks.

We have been using synthetic corks for a while and I'm sick of using a closure which has a known failure rate and which prevents people from keeping their wines for several years. I'd rather risk an occasional corked bottle.

On the whole, we've been happy with the progress made by the cork producers and find we have far less problems than we had years ago.

Wine is a risky proposition with little guarantees. As far as I can tell, cork is the only closure we have with decent results tested over a long period of time. We did one experiment with Ppire and screw caps and the wine was not what it should have been. If everyone would just drink Pp and Brun within two years we'd stay with the synthetics, but even I like to keep these wines.

So, we'll have some corked wine. Personally, I'm happy to pay for an occasional corked bottle in the interest of still having the chance to age my wine.

What happens to wines that are corked and rejected by consumers. Mostly everyone credible eats the expense, because it is too much trouble to do endless credits, paperwork, etc. Returned bottles are viewed as a cost of business, factored into the price of the wine you are buying at your table which is not corked.

As a New York distributor, we receive maybe 3 or 4 returns every 7 months. Sometimes less. It is a rare occurrence.

As an importer, we have received complaints in the past from distributors out-of-state about particular wines that appeared to have had a series of bad corks. In those cases, we've tested the wines and refunded or replaced wines in conjunction with the producer (who generally has heard complaints in several markets). We have usually split the losses with the producer because no one is really at blame.

So, how can we tolerate a product with a known failure rate? Frankly, because we love wine and there is not more unnatural, manipulative and dangerous than forcing wine into 750 ML bottles. It is almost cruel and inhuman but we can't see a better way to transport and drink the stuff outside the zone of production.

Anyone for vats?
 
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
we can't see a better way to transport and drink the stuff outside the zone of production.

It's isn't transport (or the drinking vessel) that is the vexing issue, it's cellaring and aging in an imperfect and unpredictable container.

Since you brought it up, I wish there was a reusable 10 liter container that could be distributed so I could bring a container to fill at my favorite local LDM retailer for immediate consumption. You know, like farm wines have been dispensed traditionally. That still wouldn't solve the cellaring issue and it would require the hassle of shipping and distributing two very different packages (containers and bottles) but there would be worthwhile benefits considering how much wine is NOT cellared.
 
On the whole a good move. Will the Clos Roche Blanche wines make a similar move back to cork? Given their reduced quantities and presumable eventual retirement I'd love to be able to put a more of the wines away.
 
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
Brun Beaujolais and Ppire going back to Regular Cork

Anyone for vats?

Huzzah for the corks, Joe.

And yes, I'd love to buy kegs from your producers for the restaurant.
 
originally posted by Ned Hoey:


Since you brought it up, I wish there was a reusable 10 liter container that could be distributed so I could bring a container to fill at my favorite local LDM retailer for immediate consumption.

very interesting things happening with wine and kegs...
 
Thanks, Joe. We enjoyed a bottle of the 09 Pepiere over the course of several days this week, but I couldn't see opening one again for at least a couple of years. With cork, I won't have to be looking over my shoulder every few months.
 
originally posted by Joe Dressner:

So, we'll have some corked wine. Personally, I'm happy to pay for an occasional corked bottle in the interest of still having the chance to age my wine.

So I take it this means you're not willing to pay for my occasional corked bottle?
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
originally posted by Ned Hoey:


Since you brought it up, I wish there was a reusable 10 liter container that could be distributed so I could bring a container to fill at my favorite local LDM retailer for immediate consumption.

very interesting things happening with wine and kegs...

My previous was a simultaneous post w/ Ned's...

I'd love to be able to fill growlers in a retail environment, either wine or beer (or hell, 'shine for that matter). When we looked into it w/ beer for Bottles the lawyers nixed it.

If anyone wants to donate some Fight The Power resources, get in touch.
 
"Since you brought it up, I wish there was a reusable 10 liter container that could be distributed so I could bring a container to fill at my favorite local LDM retailer for immediate consumption."

I agree. Further, I wish that there were a reusable container for shipping wine. I am thinking of something that would work like a milk bottle or propane canister exchange. Something you would pay a deposit on and reuse. Consumers seem to need an incentive to reuse. Here in the Bay Area, I see plenty of Strauss Family creamery bottles being brought into stores for reuse. The amount of foam generated by wine shipments is distressing. I appreciate that some folks use cardboard, which is definitely a step in the right direction. I think we can do better.
 
We are about to roll out an ambitious nationwide recyclable program. Details will be posted on David Macduff's excellent blog.
 
There's a closure called Diam I've used for three wines, and so far so good. No corked bottles, in two years, no adsorption of SO2, easy to pull and reinsert. Worthy of consideration.
 
originally posted by Steve Edmunds:
There's a closure called Diam I've used for three wines, and so far so good. No corked bottles, in two years, no adsorption of SO2, easy to pull and reinsert. Worthy of consideration.
Yes, a good cork product that really helps fight taint (are they still guaranteeing 6 years TCA-free?), but twice the cost of synthetics, no?
 
originally posted by chaad thomas:
originally posted by Steve Edmunds:
There's a closure called Diam I've used for three wines, and so far so good. No corked bottles, in two years, no adsorption of SO2, easy to pull and reinsert. Worthy of consideration.
Yes, a good cork product that really helps fight taint (are they still guaranteeing 6 years TCA-free?), but twice the cost of synthetics, no?

I've had corked DIAM wines on quite a few occasions....there's no perfect closure yet unfortunately.....it's certainly not cork though
 
Not wanting to beat up on Diam too much but there have been reports of scalping issues with the closure also.....

Gamay is a fairly reductive variety isn't it?
 
Dave; don't know what you mean by scalping issues. Can you elaborate?
My only experience with Gamay has been with wine from fairly young vines. It doesn't seem any more, or less, reductive than any of the other varieties with which I've worked.
 
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