Jeebus at Szechuan Gourmet

Salil Benegal

Salil Benegal
Kevin Roberts and his wife Kate were in NY for a few days. This meant a jeebus, and Zachary Ross, Jay Miller, Jeff Grossman & I joined them at Szechuan Gourmet for dinner. Fantastic food as always (the potstickers, shredded beef with leek and lamb with cumin were my personal favourites) and a fun lineup of wines with great company.

2004 Clos Rougeard (Foucault) Saumur-Champigny Clos
Fantastic. Fresh red fruits, cassis, leather, herbal elements and savoury earthy and chalky notes combining seamlessly in a very fragrant, polished package with barely any sense of weight. A really great combination with the shredded beef with leeks.

2006 István Szepsy Tokaji Harslevelu
Really interesting to sit down and follow with some time. Starts out with wax-tinged yellow fruited flavours and faintly creamy notes, becomes more aromatic and floral with air.

2004 Domaine Bachelet & fils Gevrey-Chambertin Vieilles Vignes
No signs of the '04 greens here - just fresh, slightly tart cherry and cranberry fruit over savoury earthy flavours on a lightweight frame. It's very young and quite primary, but really great to drink now with a sense of real purity and freshness to the fruit, and really bright, refreshing acidity underneath.

2004 Marcel Juge Cornas Cuvée C
Yikes - what happened here? Fresh red fruits with a strange buttery top note that I wouldn't expect in Cornas. It's quite accessible right now with a polished texture, gentle tannins and bright acids, but seems rather modern in style with the buttery element quite distracting.

2007 Franck Peillot Bugey Mondeuse
Brambly red fruits with a primary, grapey sweetness. Rather one-note right now.

2009 Domaine de Bellivière Pineau d'Aunis Les Giroflées
Delicious; fresh strawberries, raspberries and cream with a gentle peppery seasoning and a touch of back end sweetness. There's plenty of acidity here that keeps it very refreshing and precise, and the gentle sweetness makes it very enjoyable with the food.

2007 Jacques Puffeney Pinot Noir Arbois
Lovely once again. Unique, distinctive Pinot with lovely leathery, spicy and earthy aromatics leading into fresh red fruited flavours; manages to simultaneously convey a sense of rusticity and finessed elegance.

2001 Müller-Catoir Haardter Mandelring Scheurebe Spätlese
Another spectacular bottle of one of my favourite wines, showing its usual kaleidoscopic flavour profile of exuberant tropical fruits, florality and herbs with wonderful acidity and balance. Hans-Günter Schwarz was a magician.

2009 Meulenhof Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Auslese
Another lovely bottle. Classical Mosel fruit, slate and florality with moderate sweetness - there's fantastic clarity and purity here, no sign of botrytis, and bright acidity giving it a sense of real refreshment. I wish there was more Auslese being produced in this style rather than big botrytis bombs. (Aside: $20ish for a 750 ml... I love Meulenhof's pricing.)

2004 Weingut Josef Leitz Rüdesheimer Berg Schloßberg Riesling Spätlese
Very, very young. Really sweet as well, full of ripe yellow fruits, honey and vanilla with decent acidity - a baby right now, but I'd love to check into this after some years once it loses some of its baby fat.

1994 Müller-Catoir Mußbacher Eselshaut Rieslaner Auslese
A Hans-Günter Schwarz Rieslaner may be the only thing that can pull my attention away from one of his Scheurebes. This one's spectacular (no surprise) - bright gold in colour and slightly viscous, with a remarkable flavour profile combining caramel, smoky and earthy notes with rich tropical and red fruited flavours. A powerhouse with intense sweetness and richness (probably Beerenauslese in its ripeness), but fantastic balancing acidity and length.
 
Juge - buttery? I heard somewhere that Syrah can, at various stages in it's evolution - fake you out and make you think it's been oaked when maybe it hasn't. I've been to Marcel Juge's house and talked to him and unless someone is sneaking the wine into barrels while he's not looking - there ain't no oak.
 
Thanks Salil for posting these. I pretty much agree with all of your notes. The Scheurebe was fucking dynamite - what a treat to taste that wine. Thanks. My other favorites were the Clos Rougeard, the M-C Rieslaner, the Puffeney, and the Szepsy. The Bachelet was rather nice as well but I was a bit distracted by its very ashy nose. The Giroflées was a head-scratcher - tasty enough but I was convinced early on that it was corked; either it wasn't or I stopped noticing because of the (wonderful) evisceration of my palate by all the garlic and peppers.

Really too bad about the Juge Cornas (which I brought) - I haven't been as disappointed in a wine as this in a long time. Based on the accolades here on this board for Juge, I had high expectations, and I was pretty surprised at how underwhelming and uninteresting the wine was. I didn't notice the lactic note at first, I think because a blast of wafting pepper and garlic scents intervened when I first gave the wine a swirl, but it was unmistakeable thereafter. Yuck.
 
the Bachelet was still spicy about 18 months ago - is that all integrated by now (judging by your note) ?
 
originally posted by mlawton:
Juge - buttery? I heard somewhere that Syrah can, at various stages in it's evolution - fake you out and make you think it's been oaked when maybe it hasn't. I've been to Marcel Juge's house and talked to him and unless someone is sneaking the wine into barrels while he's not looking - there ain't no oak.

I don't usually blame oak for lactic notes (which this wine had in spades - made it pretty much undrinkable for me).
 
originally posted by mlawton:
Juge - buttery? I heard somewhere that Syrah can, at various stages in it's evolution - fake you out and make you think it's been oaked when maybe it hasn't. I've been to Marcel Juge's house and talked to him and unless someone is sneaking the wine into barrels while he's not looking - there ain't no oak.

Mike,
Buttery != oak. Typically, it's what I call a "lactic" note in wine and usually results from malolactic fermentation. I usually get such notes in N Rhone wines soon after bottling, but such things tend to fade rather quickly. It does seem odd to get such a note in an '04 Cornas, but maybe it had a troubled elevage? If it was diacetyl, that often indicates a problem with the MLF.

Mark Lipton
 
Even though the source of butter is of course lactic, to me "buttery" and "lactic" are two very different things.
 
originally posted by mlawton:
Even though the source of butter is of course lactic, to me "buttery" and "lactic" are two very different things.

To me, they shade into one another. Lactic to me covers soured milk and butter, though I hesitate to use it in regard to diacetyl (popcorn "butter" which smells so fake in comparison). YMMV of course.

Mark Lipton
 
Thanks for posting notes, Salil. I agree with Zach but I have a little extra to add:

The Szepsy is from the Kiraly vineyard. In addition to the famous limes and linden there was also an early hint of waxiness and a late-arriving chalky Champagne-y minerality.

The Rougeard drank like a champion right out of the gate: delightful silky texture, complex fruit and earth and mint flavors, and drank great all night. (I missed "Clos" on the label?)

I would love to have spent more time with the Puffeney, it was so vital and gripping.

The Scheurebe was amazingly supple and potent.

The Rieslaner was so delicate for something so sweet.

Count me as another person who couldn't drink the Juge due to the buttered popcorn, who thought the Giroflees might have been slightly corked, who found the Bachelet flat and dull, and who found the Leitz and Meulenhof nice enough but outclassed by other wines on the table.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
The Rougeard ... (I missed "Clos" on the label?)

I was once tangled in this. Actually, there are three reds of theirs: Le Bourg, Les Poyeux (not Poyaux/Poyeaux), and just one that says Clos Rougeard without further specification, which people have taken to calling "Clos."
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
The Rougeard ... (I missed "Clos" on the label?)

I was once tangled in this. Actually, there are three reds of theirs: Le Bourg, Les Poyeux (not Poyaux/Poyeaux), and just one that says Clos Rougeard without further specification, which people have taken to calling "Clos."
Ah, thank you, WineGrrl. (I had vaguely recalled some nonsense like this but counted on my fellow Disorderlies to explain the joke.)
 
Juge, modern???
He has always been the most traditional producer in Cornas and is 91 years old, still using whole cluster, 80 years old demi muids and harvest 2 weeks before his successor S. Robert
I have had the 2004 many times and none of my bottles showed this buttery thing.
Off bottle obviously.
 
I am told that pediococcus or lactobacillus can sometimes show as "buttery," depending on their populations.
But I immediately went to diacetyl when I heard the description; it can arise in red wine when the primary and malolactic fermentations overlap.
I have a few bottles of Juge from 1999 in my cellar and have yet to find one that I'd desribe that way - Mike, if you know, how was 2004 in Cornas?
Best, Jim
 
Not Mike, nor Eric, but the 2004 has never shown like that for me. It's a nice, cool vintage, but I think harvest conditions were mixed.

'97 SC was the wine that made me fall in love with Cornas and Syrah, and if I had an elixir of youth, him and Vatan are two of the winemakers I would love to give it to.

Had a fantastic Grolleau Gris today from a young winemaker - I'm very happy that there seem to be quite a few moving to the region.
 
didn't get a chance to go try the 2004 Cornas on release and I'm not going to be drinking any of the ones in the cellar anytime soon - so I'll defer to the experts like Eric. Sounds like he's had a few.

I have now actually gone and smelled butter and also smelled milk. I still can't see how they smell in any way the same or even close to each other - despite being derived from the same thing.

I have had a few bottles of Clape that have reminded of sour milk - but very infrequently and I'm not sure we're in the same aroma category. My self-determined analysis was that I was drinking that particular wine too young. Of course this pretty much my universal solution to anything I don't like in a wine. Hide it in the cellar. Statistically, it seems to be effective.

Upon revisiting the same bottling 5 years later, no sour milk. This may be coincidence, or it may be analysis. Take your pick.
 
originally posted by Salil Benegal:

2001 Müller-Catoir Haardter Mandelring Scheurebe Spätlese
Another spectacular bottle of one of my favourite wines, showing its usual kaleidoscopic flavour profile of exuberant tropical fruits, florality and herbs with wonderful acidity and balance. Hans-Günter Schwarz was a magician.

Love this wine. Jay, save some for me!

Quite a hipster wine list!
 
originally posted by Zachary Ross:
Btw Eric, have you ever had an opportunity to make a Cornas wine? I'd love to see such a thing.

No Cornas, but... Try my Saint Julien en Saint ALban Vieille Serine.

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Saint Julien is an unknow northern rhone satellite, 10 km west (corrected) of Brézème, 20 km south of Cornas.

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A very special place (soils are very complicated and can change a lot from one vineyard to another), warmer than Brézème, but the vines there have been cultivated for generations without chemicals (not even copper) and some of the older vineyards (70 years old) are totally clone free (they use marcottage to replace died vines.

Due to the soil (Gneiss, sandstone, decomposed granit) the wine is much closer to Cornas in style than to Brézème (limestone and clay).
Of course whole cluster, short maceration native yeasts and no so2 before bottling.

Sorry for the self promotion...
 
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