Impressions November 2020 Part II

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Several really good wines in this installment starting off with an old friend at the tail end of things.

2004 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Les Grézeaux - France, Loire Valley, Touraine, Chinon (11/11/2020)
It's been more than 5 years since my last bottle of this and it has settled nicely into maturity with the sort of gentle bottle sweetness that only comes from time in the cellar. Cool herbal notes with damp forest scents and wafting dried cherry. Fully resolved and shaped more by the underlying acidity than detectable residual tannin. A lovely old dame that will quietly fade away. Drink up. (90 points)

2015 Flavio Roddolo Dolcetto d'Alba Superiore - Italy, Piedmont, Alba, Dolcetto d'Alba (11/12/2020)
Consistent with previous bottles. I'm not sure what more I can say vis a vis Roddolo. The wines tickle my lizard brain. I guess I could see how they might not be someone's cup of tea but I probably wouldn't have a lot in common with that person. (92 points)

2019 Morella Mezzarosa Salento IGT - Italy, Puglia, Salento IGT (11/12/2020)
Bright and fresh if a bit non-distinct. This is definitely more of the thirst quenching variety of Rosato. (87 points)

NV Laherte Frères Champagne Blanc de Blancs Brut Nature - France, Champagne (11/13/2020)
Taught and linear with apples and minerals. Chalky and driving on the palate and lean but not hollow. Very good, like everything I've had from Laherte, if not as visceral as some of their other wines. (90 points)

2015 Weingut Knoll Riesling Smaragd Dürnsteiner Kellerberg - Austria, Niederösterreich, Wachau (11/13/2020)
A disappointing showing as this is my favorite Wachau producer from a very good site. Generally producer trumps vintage (while showing characteristics of the vintage) but this seems a little diffuse for a Knoll wine though in sticks the landing on some Riesling character. Hopefully my other bottles will show better. Revisit in a year or so hoping for the best. (90 points)

2014 Marguet Champagne Les Saints Remys - France, Champagne (11/15/2020)
My first time having this wine and I gather that it is 100% Pinot Noir. While it wasn't round and vinous in the way that Collin Champagnes can be, it wasn't lean or hard. Maybe lacked a bit of overall seamlessness to make a bigger impression but I was also cooking and not giving it all my attention. I have one other bottle that I'll try in a couple of years. (92 points)

2016 Alexandre Filaine Champagne Cuvée Spéciale - France, Champagne (11/15/2020)
Filaine is my current crush in Champagne. I don't know a ton about the wines but since I first tried them I've been smitten. It shows richness and generosity without weight and while there is a sense of chalk it doesn't come at the expense of a gentle mouthfeel and an ineffable digestible quality. (92 points)

2005 Clos Rougeard (Foucault) Saumur-Champigny Les Poyeux - France, Loire Valley, Anjou-Saumur, Saumur-Champigny (11/15/2020)
What makes this noticeably Rougeard is the silkiness of the palate. There is a texture that these wines have that no other wine in the Loire (or any other Cabernet family wine from anywhere) possess. The nose and palate are full of dark red fruits and tilled soil tones with top notes of pyrazine esters from several plant species. I found this more resolved than I was expecting and didn't have as much Poyeux limestone signature as I was expecting. Really beautifully crafted and impeccable but not as exciting as I was hoping for. (92 points)

2016 Ceritas Cabernet Sauvignon Peter Martin Ray - USA, California, San Francisco Bay, Santa Cruz Mountains (11/15/2020)
Deeply colored and bursting with black currant, plum and berry Cabernet fruit. Violets, a bit of licorice and graphite with a little underlying savory notes. Really well shaped if young and structured. The tannins are undeniable and solid but not aggressive. This should turn out to be a stellar Santa Cruz Cabernet. I think a few more years to integrate will take it to new heights. (93+ points)

NV Azienda Agricola San Giuseppe Stella di Campalto Choltempo Bella Toscana IGT - Italy, Tuscany, Toscana IGT (11/15/2020)
I think that this is from the 2018 release but I don't know the vintage(s) of the underlying wines or much else about it (I guess I could do more internet searching, but [shrug]). My first bottle was horribly corked but this one is excellent. Really bright acids and red fruits with some lack ones underneath. Lively with graphite, mineral, tobacco and some leather. Not particularly tannic but does have some structure. Went really well with the beef. It's a shame this is too expensive to be a regular occasion wine as it would be perfect for that purpose. (93 points)

2019 Le Pianelle Al Posto dei Fiori Rosato - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Coste della Sesia (11/16/2020)
Almost exactly the same as the last bottle and equally exemplary. I need to have this around all the time. (92 points)

2013 Colombera & Garella Lessona Pizzaguerra - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Lessona (11/17/2020)
Extremely lightly colored and trading on delicacy and finesse at 12% alcohol. The fruit reminds me of the sour cherries from my mom's tree as they smell of cherry and tartness at the same time. A bit of flowers peak through the pine and savory notes. The structure is in the background and fine but unwavering. A fine bead of chalky tannins and a lifted quality mark the wine (whole cluster maybe?). It'll be really interesting to follow this wine. These Colombera & Garella wines are trying to say something and I'm listening but do not yet fully understand. (91 points)

2012 Geantet-Pansiot Charmes-Chambertin - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Charmes-Chambertin Grand Cru (11/18/2020)
Sappy and deeply fruited although the fruit never comes off as overripe in any way but more cool cherry pulp smashed on stones. Good acidity drives through the palate to the finish with tannin that are draped with fruit. It shows some floral notes and the finish has a bit of earth and chalky minerals. It may not be the most complex wine at this point, but what it does show, it shows in delicious, velvety waves that are fun on their own and suit pairing at the table. I'm glad no one else really likes these wines. This should age well for another decade or two but I'm going to continue plundering through these as the mood strikes me. (94 points)

2010 Domaine Louis Boillot et Fils Gevrey-Chambertin Les Evocelles - France, Burgundy, Côte de Nuits, Gevrey-Chambertin (11/19/2020)
Another really nice showing from a 2010 Boillot. Very mineral and animale-sauvage inflected black cherry fruit. Deep and dark with licorice hints in the tilled earth with the firm structure noticeably relaxing with air. The acidity salivates the palate and helps it pair with food very well. If you have multiple bottles, I think this is worth checking in on now because I don't think it's far off being at a first plateau. (92 points)
 
originally posted by VLM: Impressions November 2020 Part II
2012 Geantet-Pansiot Charmes-Chambertin I'm glad no one else really likes these wines.

Nathan, interesting notes, as is your custom.

Allan Meadows shares your high regard for the Geantet-Pansiot Charmes-Chambertins as he virtually always marks them well over [90] and gives the 2012 a [93].

. . . . . Pete
 
Rougeard has always meant oak and pyrazines to me.
Neither are my preference. But I get the silky texture descriptor; it can be lovely.
Best, jim
 
speaking of loire cabernet franc producers, what's the disorderly take/buzz on the saumurs and saumur champignys from thierry germain roches neuves and/or romain guiberteau?
 
originally posted by robert ames:
speaking of loire cabernet franc producers, what's the disorderly take/buzz on the saumurs and saumur champignys from thierry germain roches neuves and/or romain guiberteau?

Fwiw, I tried several vintages and cuvées of Guiberteaus some six years ago and found them increasingly oaky as the cuvée became more expensive. A sure sign that they don't have my number. Effectively the lower cuvées were more drinkable, but had less good material. Vice versa for the higher.

Germain was never a favorite (SF Joe was also not partial) after trying just a few a very long time ago (some ten years). About six months ago I tried one of the more expensive Chenins and was underwhelmed.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
RougeardLoire cab franc has always meant oak and pyrazines to me.
Neither are my preference. But I get the silky texture descriptor; it can be lovely.
Best, jim

FIFY
 
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
RougeardLoire cab franc has always meant oak and pyrazines to me.
Neither are my preference. But I get the silky texture descriptor; it can be lovely.
Best, jim

FIFY

I’m sorry, I don’t understand FIFY nor do I think all Loire cab franc is oaky.
What was your point?
 
originally posted by robert ames:
speaking of loire cabernet franc producers, what's the disorderly take/buzz on the saumurs and saumur champignys from thierry germain roches neuves and/or romain guiberteau?

I like both. The Roches Neuves (Germain) wines are categorically different than they used to be. I never had much use for them in the past but was alerted to a change in direction and started trying them again with great success. Some of the reds, particularly the Franc de Pied, Clos de L'Echelier and Les Mémoires I find excellent but the whole range is now at least good. I also like the whites and buy the L'Insolite and Clos du Moulin as well as the Clos Romans (despite the youngish vines).

I generally buy the whites from Guiberteau, specifically the Clos de Guichaux and Brézé. I haven't tried as many of the reds because, frankly, I don't need another source of Cabernet Franc.

Neither of them are at the level of Collier and both are not cheap, though I think the lower end bottlings from both offer value (I also think the more expensive ones provide value but the absolute cost may be a deterrent). They aren't the insane value that wines like Baudry are or to a lesser extend Hureau.

I like Ch. Yvonne too and think they could end up being really good, unfortunately, they're priced that way which cools my enthusiasm.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
RougeardLoire cab franc has always meant oak and pyrazines to me.
Neither are my preference. But I get the silky texture descriptor; it can be lovely.
Best, jim

FIFY

I’m sorry, I don’t understand FIFY nor do I think all Loire cab franc is oaky.
What was your point?

I find pyrazines in nearly all Loire cabernet francs, it's in the nature of the grape. As for the oak, just surprised that it stood out so much to you.
 
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
RougeardLoire cab franc has always meant oak and pyrazines to me.
Neither are my preference. But I get the silky texture descriptor; it can be lovely.
Best, jim

FIFY

I’m sorry, I don’t understand FIFY nor do I think all Loire cab franc is oaky.
What was your point?

I find pyrazines in nearly all Loire cabernet francs, it's in the nature of the grape. As for the oak, just surprised that it stood out so much to you.

My tolerance for oak is akin to my tolerance for TCA - any is too much.
The several times that I’ve tasted Rougeard, regardless of bottling, it has always been too oaky for me.
Jouget, Baudry, et al, are a different story.

As for pyrazines, I think there are exceptions; Les Granges comes to mind.
Best, jim
 
I also consider myself highly oak intolerant. And I also don't get oak on Baudry. I also know, by reading their website, that I am wrong about the Croix Boissée and, though less so, also about the Grezeaux and moreso about the Clos Guillot. These things happen. I was astonished to learn that Sociando Mallet finishes its wine largely in new oak. Evidently I am only oak intolerant when I am and not when I am not.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I also consider myself highly oak intolerant. And I also don't get oak on Baudry. I also know, by reading their website, that I am wrong about the Croix Boissée and, though less so, also about the Grezeaux and moreso about the Clos Guillot. These things happen. I was astonished to learn that Sociando Mallet finishes its wine largely in new oak. Evidently I am only oak intolerant when I am and not when I am not.

Welcome to the club. I find the taste of new oak offputting and even the “glossiness” imparted to older wines not my cuppa. Yet one of the most revelatory wine experiences of my life was a bottle of ‘88 Dujac Clos de la Roche consumed in 2005 or so, a wine that I’m sure I would have despised in its youth. What does it mean? As Mr Natural quoth...

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I also consider myself highly oak intolerant. And I also don't get oak on Baudry. I also know, by reading their website, that I am wrong about the Croix Boissée and, though less so, also about the Grezeaux and moreso about the Clos Guillot. These things happen. I was astonished to learn that Sociando Mallet finishes its wine largely in new oak. Evidently I am only oak intolerant when I am and not when I am not.

I suspect the oak treatment causing a certain *green* or at least off-putting, clumsy astringency I get typically is the main reason I don’t often like Sociando. I used to have a similar reaction to 1990s Groffier that put me off that house in Burgundy.
 
originally posted by MLipton:

Welcome to the club. I find the taste of new oak offputting and even the “glossiness” imparted to older wines not my cuppa. Yet one of the most revelatory wine experiences of my life was a bottle of ‘88 Dujac Clos de la Roche consumed in 2005 or so, a wine that I’m sure I would have despised in its youth. What does it mean? As Mr Natural quoth...

Mark Lipton

Ditto on at least Jacques-era Dujac for me although I recall being surprised exactly for this reason at liking the young ‘99s on release before they shut down.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I also consider myself highly oak intolerant. And I also don't get oak on Baudry. I also know, by reading their website, that I am wrong about the Croix Boissée and, though less so, also about the Grezeaux and moreso about the Clos Guillot. These things happen. I was astonished to learn that Sociando Mallet finishes its wine largely in new oak. Evidently I am only oak intolerant when I am and not when I am not.

I suspect the oak treatment causing a certain *green* or at least off-putting, clumsy astringency I get typically is the main reason I don’t often like Sociando. I used to have a similar reaction to 1990s Groffier that put me off that house in Burgundy.

I have always assumed the green in Sociando Mallet to come from pyrazine, where it usually comes from. But you seem to be using green for "astringency, so maybe we are not talking about the same thing. I'm sure you've tasted SC when it is 20 or older. Do you still get the astringency?
 
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