TN: The Virtual Tasting #13 (April 22, 2021)

Jeff Grossman

Jeff Grossman
attendees: Don & Melissa, Eden & Scott, Jay, Jeff, Lisa, Scott & Anne-Marie, Seth

"Se gonfle devant vos yeux!"

It was my birthday on Tuesday. No cake tonight (Thursday) but I assure you my house is full of ice cream (I made the pistachio gelato), pistachio crumble (notice a theme?), filled chocolates, dipped chocolates, cookies, and so on. I had dispatched a triple-chocolate cupcake + candle + match to Anne-Marie last time. This time I received a little whackable packet vid (watch for about 15 seconds, unless you're really into it); mine said, "Happy Birthday!"

Wines are poured by Scott & Anne-Marie and your humble scribe, so you know there will be vino!

We commence the all-Barbera tasting with...

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Fleegle - When I poured it in the morning, it's a little old but no premox and the acidity is still sound, with air there is an enticing nose with hints of resin, hazelnut, and tarragon. Everybody pegs it as French but then the full/waxy quality leads people into the Rhone Valley (from which they never return). Everybody liked it but nobody recognized old Chablis: Dauvissat, V 2005 Chablis 1er "Forest", 13%.

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Now we have three wines together. Scott announces that this is a horizontal (same year, two makers) from vineyards that are walking distance from each other in the East-to-West direction! We decide to taste them all and then start guessing.
...#3 - camphor, cola, cranberry, "Sizzly-ness" -Don, this is textbook good nebbiolo, a little austere
...#2 - "Cherry Sucrets and a little sweatsock" -Melissa, not quite so potent as #3, there is some meaty/funky thing in here
...#1 - very different! tannins are much finer, less volatile, herbal (tending towards basil), is a French oenologist involved?

A map of Barbaresco vineyards comes in handy about now: click.

OK, all tasted. We're ready and, after a few preliminary guesses, Seth is suddenly all over it:
"#3 is very classic... Produttori?"
Yes.
"Reserva?"
Of course.
"Asili?"
Yes. We're all agog.
"2004?"
Yes. What's after agog? It turns out that Seth had the 2016 of this wine last week and recognized it. Bravo!

My turn:
"#2 has a savory/salty chicken broth scent to it... Rabaja?"
Yes.

Nobody gets #1.

The wines:
Produttori del Barbaresco 2004 Barbaresco Riserva "Asili"
Produttori del Barbaresco 2004 Barbaresco Riserva "Rabaja"
Sottimano 2004 Barbaresco "Cotta"

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Back to the Banana Splits show:

Now we have two wines together. This is a vertical (same maker, same vineyard, different years). One year was hot/ripe and the other was "classic". Which years are they?

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Bingo - slightly soft, slightly sweet, "coffee" -Scott, warm year fans have found their pal, easily placed in Italy but nothing more specific
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Snorky - firmer, "elegant" -Jay, reminds Jay a little of Il Sodaccio so he guesses sangiovese (no)

Although Scott and I did not coordinate ahead of time, this evening turns out to be a Barbaresco tasting:
Luigi Voghera 2007 Barbaresco "Basarin", 14.5%
Luigi Voghera 2008 Barbaresco "Basarin", 14%

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Last wine from me: Warning, it's old, so while it was good this morning, who knows now:
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Drooper - "pipe tobacco" -Don, "tobacco and a little mown grass" -Anne-Marie, the tannins are completely resolved, there is a little tutti-frutti in the palate along with silky texture, and it continues to improve in the glass! An excellent performance from a 54-year-old wine: Luigi Calissano 1967 Barbaresco Riserva Speciale, in a 720 ml bottle



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Last wine of the evening: A really beautiful nose, like essential oils in a perfume; alas, a lot less exciting to actually consume as it's spirity and dull; French, yes, but it's getting late so we call for the reveal: Ch. Rayas 1995 Chateauneuf-du-Pape, 14%, we're surprised at the underwhelming performance.

DAY 2

Following up on a few wines that I managed to keep aside:
1: classic, moderate tannins sharpened by good acidity, flavors dark and pure, umami kinda like good tomato paste
2: similar but also meaty, a little funky, call it Worcestershire
3: fine furry tannins all over my mouth, acidity a little less pointed, fruit is redder (though not all the way to strawberry)
Bingo: between 1 and 3, classic mouthfeel and structure, fruit a compromise of black and red fruit
 
so... drink or hold the 04s? I've had a couple of 04s from good producers, and they pretty much fell into the "drink now or sometime over the next N years," where N is exclusively assigned by Jeff Connell. At the same time I had 01 Ovello this year, and while very nice it'll clearly be even better in a few years.
 
So I've never had the 95 Rayas, but I've said over and over that 95 was a way overrated year, particularly for CdPs that have structure and can age. True for Pegau, Beaucastel, Charvin, VT. I'm not surprised that it was true for Rayas. Again, I haven't had the 94 Rayas (the number of different years of Rayas I've had can be counted on the fingers of one hand), but it was a better year by far for all the other wines and generally a vastly underrated year.
 
Seth tells me that I don't quite have the story of his epic guess correct:
- We were not told up front that the wines were Barbaresco
- It was the 2016 Asili that he'd had recently, not the same vintage
- He had guessed 1999 Barolo before the bullseye

I'll rewrite that portion later tonight.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
so... drink or hold the 04s? I've had a couple of 04s from good producers, and they pretty much fell into the "drink now or sometime over the next N years," where N is exclusively assigned by Jeff Connell. At the same time I had 01 Ovello this year, and while very nice it'll clearly be even better in a few years.
Both the Cotta and the Asili are just up on their plateaus, so drink or hold. The Rabaja seemed a little awkward yet.

I have Montestefano in storage, always a powerful cru, so I'm holding that.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
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Epic Guess section revised.

Are we to believe that a human being tasted the 2016 Asili the week before and found the one you had to be similar, except 12 years older? Agog indeed.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
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Epic Guess section revised.

Are we to believe that a human being tasted the 2016 Asili the week before and found the one you had to be similar, except 12 years older? Agog indeed.

Virtual blind tastings have given an unfair advantage to those who can perform a quick and dirty mass spectrometry analysis in their kitchen.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Are we to believe that a human being tasted the 2016 Asili the week before and found the one you had to be similar, except 12 years older? Agog indeed.
The Produttori are a classic outfit.

And you don't doubt terroir, do you, O?
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Are we to believe that a human being tasted the 2016 Asili the week before and found the one you had to be similar, except 12 years older? Agog indeed.
The Produttori are a classic outfit.

And you don't doubt terroir, do you, O?

Lawd, no. But even the most faithful terroir expression will taste very different at age 5 than at age 17, so anyone who can parse out the vintage noise, parse out the ageing noise, home in on the essence of how Nebbiolo behaves specifically at Asili, and then intuitively carbon date with this much precision, well, they should be studied by science.
 
Really, Oswaldo, if you're familiar with the wine, it is possible. I make more misses than these guys do, but I have done similar things as well with CdP. You start by saying, I know this domaine, this cuvee. Then you do a separate guess for year based on aging. And I stink at blind tasting (I've also more times than I'd like to admit confused CdPs for CA rhone blends or, for that matter, Burgundy for Bordeeaux since lunch).
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Are we to believe that a human being tasted the 2016 Asili the week before and found the one you had to be similar, except 12 years older? Agog indeed.
The Produttori are a classic outfit.

And you don't doubt terroir, do you, O?

Lawd, no. But even the most faithful terroir expression will taste very different at age 5 than at age 17, so anyone who can parse out the vintage noise, parse out the ageing noise, home in on the essence of how Nebbiolo behaves specifically at Asili, and then intuitively carbon date with this much precision, well, they should be studied by science.

Can't say much about Asili, but Brunate (Barolo, of course) often screams its identity. Rust and blood. Like what I would imagine the scent of a steel blade thrust into an opponent in a medieval battle and then pulled back. Brunate is all about gore, at 2 years or 40.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Really, Oswaldo, if you're familiar with the wine, it is possible. I make more misses than these guys do, but I have done similar things as well with CdP. You start by saying, I know this domaine, this cuvee. Then you do a separate guess for year based on aging. And I stink at blind tasting (I've also more times than I'd like to admit confused CdPs for CA rhone blends or, for that matter, Burgundy for Bordeeaux since lunch).

I suppose.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Also, I've never had wine from Luigi Voghera before. These were classic stuff, pure, no spoof, a real pleasure to drink.

Agreed, especially the '08 which, along with the Asili, shared WOTN honors for me.
 
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