Ridge ramble

Florida Jim

Florida Jim
Recently, I attended a tasting of 30 different Ridge wines of vintages ranging from the 1970’s thru the 2010’s. There were even a couple of whites in the mix.

For many years, my admiration for this house was unbridled but in my crotchety years I have given up buying the wines. The last bottles I bought, I gave away to those for whom the fire still burns.

While almost all of the sites they use are excellent, the farming impeccable and the choice to pick precise, I do not understand the barrel regimen. New American oak seems to be ubiquitous and it’s influence, significant.
On release, many of the reds have such exuberant fruit that one can ignore the ever present sawn-lumber notes. But as they age, the oak tends to obscure the fruit and become paramount. And in my experience, these wines seldom “soak up the oak” such that it’s presence is not obvious. Rather, I think many of the reds become “misshapen” as a result of their barrel treatment.

This tasting reinforced that notion.
Older Zinfandels that I could not recognize as Zin. Carignane with atypical tannin. Even Cabernets that tasted more of generic red wine than of Cab.

Of course, there are exceptions. A 2019 Falanghina was typical of the variety and good (no oak discerned), a couple Monte Bello, Cabernets were good despite their wood notes and the 1997 Monte Bello, Cabernet was a masterpiece.

Aging gives wine a chance to develop. The barrel program at Ridge seems counter-productive.
Aging in a taster often leads to a change in preferences. And so it has.

Best, jim
 
I’ve never been a Ridge diehard or cellared it except a couple random bottles over the years, but have enjoyed some of the older Geyservilles young and with a bit of age and Monte Bello with age. I’ve also enjoyed some of the older ATPs, Lytton Springs, and others bottlings that folks randomly pour.

Geyserville 2014 and 2015 young, however, were nearly undrinkable to me—thick, big, wooded wines that had no resemblance to anything I’d like to buy and cellar. After those, I don’t even register Ridge at retail.
 
A counterpoint is I buy the Geyserville, Lytton Springs, and Pagani Ranch bottlings every year and continue to be pleased with them. I might wish for less wood treatment, but the wines work well for us with the right food pairings.

. . . . . . Pete
 
Last time I had Geyserville, my impressions were similar to Jayson’s. Honestly I wondered how I had ever liked the stuff, or if the wine has just changed that much since the 90s. This was probably 3-4 years ago, with the current release at the time.
 
I'm with Lee and Jayson.

Looking back over my notes, I read that the big oak regimen started in 2004 and, indeed, I liked all the bottles of Monte Bello prior to that. Being anywhere near Chris Coad often meant drinking a good 1990s Monte Bello!

After that, however, there is but a single bottle of 2007 and a single bottle of 2011 that I liked, both with steak frites, so plenty of roasty, fatty, chewy food to accompany. The rest were stinging, coconutty, oaky messes.

And non-Monte Bello? It seems I've only ever had them from the 1980s and the long provenance made them hit or miss. I'm a little surprised but, on the other hand, I'm not a fanboy for petite sirah and I just don't think of Ridge as a zin specialist.
 
In principle, I should agree with the Ridge haters. I've always found the oak what I would usually call intrusive. But I consider Zinfandel the John Wayne of wines, big, overbearing, but with real athletic grace if you can see through the swagger. In the hands of able directors, even the objectionable features turn interesting (just watch the Searchers or Red River or even Rio Bravo). Ridge is an able director. I understand some people objecting anyway: John Wayne is John Wayne, even when handled well. But I don't mind these wines once in a while.
 
I’m a longtime fan of Ridge wines. I started buying them with the ‘78 vintage and bought ever year through about ‘99 or 2000. Early on, the oak signature (“Draper perfume”) is intrusive but, depending on vintage, does fade enough to allow enjoyment. I fairly recently posted on a magnum of ‘90 Lytton Springs that was lovely and I recall a bottle of ‘99 Geyserville consumed in Toledo in ‘09 that was meaty, savory and mineral but with nary a trace of oak. De gustibus, of course, and I don’t buy them as often now as I used to.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

A counterpoint is I buy the Geyserville, Lytton Springs, and Pagani Ranch bottlings every year and continue to be pleased with them. I might wish for less wood treatment, but the wines work well for us with the right food pairings.

. . . . . . Pete

pete--maybe you're just not that disorderly.
 
originally posted by robert ames:
claude kolm's latest blog happens to be on ridge, and he too despairs of what has happened with the oak program.

As I posted on the other bored, the new oak percentage increased for the Estate Cab from the 2013 vintage. No idea why. No perceived changes to Geyserville from 2007. Did the barrel toast change? I don’t know.

Claude was incorrect on 2019 Estate Chardonnay. He wrote 37% new oak. It’s 37% one year old.

All this info (not the barrel toast) is on Ridge’s website.
 
originally posted by robert ames:
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

A counterpoint is I buy the Geyserville, Lytton Springs, and Pagani Ranch bottlings every year and continue to be pleased with them. I might wish for less wood treatment, but the wines work well for us with the right food pairings.

. . . . . . Pete

pete--maybe you're just not that disorderly.

I can't help but feel that Pete has established his bona fides by now. It's not such an exclusive club here, in any event.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
SFJoe introduced the expression "Draper perfume" into my vocabulary as if it was a going concern.
On a quick Google, that phrase pre-dates 2004.

Carbon dating of sorts.

You're in peak form, here, Jeff and Oswaldo. Simultaneous Touché and Bravo.
 
On the origins of Draper Perfume, I first read it from Geo T from Day-Twah or Stuart Y from all over the place in 1998. I can’t recall which. Probably the former.

George is a good guy. I was honored to break bread with him once or twice back in the day. Does anyone know how he’s doing?
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
On the origins of Draper Perfume, I first read it from Geo T from Day-Twah or Stuart Y from all over the place in 1998. I can’t recall which. Probably the former.

George is a good guy. I was honored to break bread with him once or twice back in the day. Does anyone know how he’s doing?

He’s doing quite well, making music and posting now and again on FB.

Mark Lipton
 
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