Northern Rhone + Other Wines TNs -- 1/26/24

Yule Kim

Yule Kim
A friend of mine hosted a Northern Rhone-themed dinner at his house last week, which grew into something a lot more expansive. Here are my impressions (starting below the list):

Red:
‘11 Benetiere Côte Rôtie Le Cordeloux
‘09 Benetiere Côte Rôtie Le Cordeloux
‘94 Guigal Côte Rôtie La Landonne
‘94 Guigal Côte Rôtie La Turque
‘11 Voge Cornas Vielles Vignes
‘15 Delas Hermitage Lignes de Crete
‘20 Kobayashi San Soufre
‘05 Peay La Bruma Estate Syrah
‘16 Sabon Chateauneuf du Papes Prestige
‘16 Trevallon Alpilles Rouge

Sparkling:
NV Vouette & Sorbee Blanc d’Argiles Brut Nature
NV Nowack La Tuilerie Blanc de Blancs Extra Brut
‘16 Bereche Campania Remensis

White:
‘06 Vernay Condrieu Les Terrasses de L'Empire
‘15 Peay Estate Roussanne/Marsanne
‘06 Vincent Dauvissat Les Clos
‘02 Fevre Les Clos
‘16 Pierre Yves Colin-Morey Saint-Aubin 1er Cru Les Champlots
‘21 Baron de Montfaucon Côtes du Rhône
‘22 Falkenstein Krettnacher Euchariusberg Auslese #5 “Forster”
‘22 Falkenstein Krettnacher Euchariusberg Kabinett Alte Reben #8 “Gisela”

Digestif:
Chartreuse Cuvée des Meilleurs Ouvriers de France Sommeliers

REDS

‘11 Benetiere Côte Rôtie Le Cordeloux: The '11 Cordeloux was more lifted and frankly better than the '09 on the nose with the palate being more red fruit, brighter with a slight hit of savory smokiness. Very approachable right now and delicious (double-decanted before the dinner).

‘09 Benetiere Côte Rôtie Le Cordeloux: The '09, on the other hand, was extremely polarizing. When we first opened it, it was definitely aromatically more reticent on the nose with the palate being more austere, darker, much more savory, and brooding. I actually liked it, but when it was in the decanter for a couple of hours and people re-visited, the palate seemed to be blown out by the alcohol.

I had wine fall apart before with too much air, but this declined in a way I never experienced before. I’m not sure whether it was a case of re-visiting the '09 after having a ton of other wines; too much time in the decanter causing the fruit and other elements on the palate to zero out; or just a flawed bottle (I bought it on Winebid). I really have no clue. Interesting experience and still glad I tried it, especially in comparison with the '11, which was a totally different wine.

‘94 Guigal Côte Rôtie La Landonne: The La Landonne had a pretty, floral nose; on the palate, the tannins felt resolved and there was no strong glossy oak signature. The texture and weight of the wine leaned elegant, and the fruit, while big, did not feel over-extracted and was balanced by savory elements. However, the smokiness (I’m assuming from reduction) was absolutely “embiggened” to massive proportions and was so overpowering, it felt like I was sipping a glass of an Islay single-malt. This wine didn’t come across as over-oaked (unless counting the smokiness being amplified by the new oak treatment), and in some ways it was enjoyable in a steroidal kind of way, but I’m not sure I would like drinking a full glass of this with dinner. It was just too much (this was decanted before the dinner).

‘94 Guigal Côte Rôtie La Turque: Now, behold the La Turque, and imagine the La Landonne except younger, stronger, bigger, and tannic-ier. Joking aside, it does come across as a much younger wine: more closed on the nose, and the palate smothered with drying, unresolved tannins. And, similarly to the La Landonne, it was just infused with an overwhelming bigness swaddled in smoke (decanted before dinner).

‘11 Voge Cornas Vielles Vignes: This showed really well and it struck a nice median between the bright, red-fruited ‘11 Cordeloux and the massive ‘94 LaLas. A touch darker than the Cordeloux, with a bit more meaty smokiness, but open for business and a pleasure to drink.

‘15 Delas Hermitage Lignes de Crete: This was too young with very firm tannins that basically blocked most of the palate. I didn’t linger long enough to see whether this opened up any in the decanter.

’20 Kobayashi San Soufre: A Syrah varietal wine sourced from the Columbia Valley in Washington State. Darker in character than the ‘11 Benetiere, it shared a fresh-tasting vibrancy and textural delicacy on the palate. While it had the smoke, meat, and herbs of the Northern Rhone, that Old World savoriness was married with a restrained, yet luminescent fruit that clearly placed it in the New. Although this cuvee is meant to be held for no longer than 10 years, the intensity of flavor feels a little too serious to be simply glou-glou, despite its easy-going drinkability. I never heard of this producer before, but I’m looking forward to following them in the future. (Apparently, Yves Gangloff consults on the Syrah and Viognier wines produced by Kobayashi).

’05 Peay La Bruma Estate Syrah: Another fine New World effort that was restrained, elegant, and savory with a restrained fruit profile. It didn’t enchant me as much as the Kobayashi, but a serious effort that shared a similar smoked meat and herbs savoriness as the Northern Rhone wines without having the gobs of velvety fruit I expect from a wine from the Sonoma Coast.

‘16 Sabon Chateauneuf du Papes Prestige: Definitely the red wines “gobbiest” of the night (GOTN): laden with a heavy-handed dark fruit, a velvety, almost viscous texture, and slightly ponderous; I wouldn’t call it a bad wine, but not one I plan to revisit.

‘16 Trevallon Alpilles Rouge: Like the Sabon, very different from the other reds, but in the opposite direction. Downright austere, with very assertive, unresolved tannins blocking most of the other flavors on the palate; I’m assuming due to the Cabernet in the wine. However, there seemed to be some promising stuffing underneath that wall of astringency. All too young to enjoy right now, but I’m kind of intrigued as to what this will taste like once the tannins resolve.

SPARKLING

NV Vouette & Sorbée Blanc d’Argiles Brut Nature: I believe this was 2018 base. Crisp, edgy, energetic, and fresh tasting. Hint of citrus on the palate, but very much a saline, mineral-forward wine. Not quite as angular as I was expecting; maybe a case where the champagne benefited from the riper, lower-acid profile of the vintage. Delicious.

NV Nowack La Tuilerie Blanc de Blancs Extra Brut: This was an interesting contrast to the Blanc d’Argiles. Had a noticeable nutty, almost almond-like oxidative profile with a slightly rounder texture than the Blanc d’Argiles. This was a bit surprising, because it was so different from the racier, fresher flavors of the Fontinettes that I had last month, or even the entry-level S.A. Still tasty, and a very interesting contrast to the first champagne.

’16 Bereche Campania Remensis: A great bottle of rosé champagne. Bright, fresh, easy drinking, yet serious wine with subtle, pretty red fruit, elegance, and tension. Excellent.

WHITE

‘06 Vernay Condrieu Les Terrasses de L'Empire: I was surprised how much I liked this wine. Very lively and surprisingly energetic, with a round, subtly oily texture, with yellow fruit suffused with the flavors of herbs and ginger. If anything, it got more complex with air.

‘15 Peay Estate Roussanne/Marsanne: Another wine I was surprised I liked so much. Energetic, light footed, and airy, perhaps with a touch of honey and richness, but this is really all about its lively palate presence. Great stuff.

‘06 Vincent Dauvissat Les Clos: This was a bit of a confusing wine. It seemed a little shut down upon opening, with nothing but a ponderous yellow-fruit profile on the palate. It opened up a little with time and got better, but lacked any hint of salinity and did not feel particularly Chablis-like.

‘02 Fevre Les Clos: The great debate about this bottle was whether this was a one-off flawed, oxidized bottle or whether this was “premox.” Either way, it was borderline sherry.

’16 Pierre Yves Colin-Morey Saint-Aubin 1er Cru Les Champlots: First time having PYCM: it felt kind of glossy and oily on the palate. Some citrus and minerals at well, but the texture was a little confusing. I’m not sure whether this was oak that needed more time to integrate or whether this is just the PYCM style.

‘21 Baron de Montfaucon Côtes du Rhône: A nice bottle of thirst-quenching white. Not exactly profound, but well-made with some mineral complexity. Not bad for a $19.99 bottle of wine.

‘22 Falkenstein Krettnacher Euchariusberg Auslese #5 “Forster”: We paired this with dessert, but this tasted more like a Spatlese and was not the greatest pairing with the pear tart. However, this is still a bracing bottle of German riesling that was well-balanced, white-fruited, and delicious (though I feel a step-down from the racy bottles of lightning we got from the ‘21 Krettnacher Euchariusberg cuvees from Falkenstein last year)

‘22 Falkenstein Krettnacher Euchariusberg Kabinett Alte Reben #8 “Gisela”: Another delicious bottle of Gisela, although richer, fatter, perhaps a bit flatter, and less acidic and lively than the extraordinary ‘21. I remember Lars posting that he thought the ‘22s were more accessible, and while the ‘22s are good and very approachable now, I never really felt that the electric tension of the ‘21s was that jagged or unbalanced on release.

DIGESTIF

Chartreuse Cuvée des Meilleurs Ouvriers de France Sommeliers: Piney and woodsy on the nose with a biting, refreshing herbal blast of heat on the palate. A really nice way to end the meal (and apparently they only sell this cuvee in Europe -- fun stuff!)
 
Thanks for the useful notes, some of these wines are occasionally in my sights. I am a Cordeloux fan, but am loath to open my few thanks to the vigorously escalating prices.

With the whites, I was surprised with how much you liked the first two, and also surprised by the absence of comment about their acidity, or lack thereof, usually the Achilles heel here for me (regardless of origin; haven't tasted Peay, but see that it's Sonoma).
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
‘11 Voge Cornas Vielles Vignes: This showed really well and it struck a nice median between the bright, red-fruited ‘11 Cordeloux and the massive ‘94 LaLas. A touch darker than the Cordeloux, with a bit more meaty smokiness, but open for business and a pleasure to drink.

My local importer/distributor brought this in and we've had it on the list for a while. The bottle I had was as you describe, a nice median between bright red fruit and darker elements. It's in a good spot and a treat for our customers, I think.

I have memories of LaLa's resolving their wood and turning out nicely, but it has been a long time since that's been reinforced, so I may have a different reaction if I encountered them again. Interesting about the Cordeloux 2009. A wine that young shouldn't fall apart like that. What did the cork look like? Maybe it was heat damaged or something else.

Thanks for the report in general, some interesting findings. I'm curious about the Peay Syrahs, maybe I'll find one with some age somewhere.
 
originally posted by Yule Kim: Northern Rhone + Other Wines TNs -- 1/26/24

Chartreuse Cuvée des Meilleurs Ouvriers de France Sommeliers: Piney and woodsy on the nose with a biting, refreshing herbal blast of heat on the palate. A really nice way to end the meal (and apparently they only sell this cuvee in Europe -- fun stuff!)

Great notes. Especially found your Chartreuse notes interesting given my interest in this variety. If you're ever in Beaune, be sure and go to Ma Cuisine restaurant as it has an amazing collection of Chartreuse...plus excellent food and wine list.

. . . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
With the whites, I was surprised with how much you liked the first two, and also surprised by the absence of comment about their acidity, or lack thereof, usually the Achilles heel here for me (regardless of origin; haven't tasted Peay, but see that it's Sonoma).

I'm glad you mention acidity -- it was an interesting factor with both of these wines (which I should have gone into greater depth in the tasting notes).

I liked the Vernay despite the lack of acidity. I felt the herbal and spicy complexity made up for its round, soft profile. Usually, I prefer whites with a lot more cut, but I was able to appreciate this wine for what it was (and also I had low expectations that the wine surpassed; I typically don't care for viognier).

On the other hand, the Peay Roussanne/Marsanne was a surprise because it had lively acidity. I was expecting this to be soft, but it wasn't at all. I mean, it's not a Muscadet or Riesling, but there was an energetic liveliness there that kind of popped, especially in the context of the other whites at the table (especially the under-performing/flawed Clos wines). Also, similarly to the Vernay, my enthusiasm may have been a product of having low expectations being surpassed.

However, there seems something very singular about this wine, as if the Peay Brothers found the one patch of dirt on Earth that can make Roussanne and Marsanne not boring (though I don't actually have that much experience with Roussanne or Marsanne, so perhaps there are very good examples of the varieties in Europe).
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
'88 landonne last month was also not expressly oaky, but was underwhelming. Kind of rustic and four-square.

On the pre-dinner email chain, someone thought the LaLas would be "glossy but complex," but strangely, they turned out to be neither.

It is interesting to see though that the massive new oak treatment of the LaLas do resolve consistently with time (per your and Nathan's notes).
 
originally posted by VLM:
Interesting about the Cordeloux 2009. A wine that young shouldn't fall apart like that. What did the cork look like? Maybe it was heat damaged or something else.

Thanks for the report in general, some interesting findings. I'm curious about the Peay Syrahs, maybe I'll find one with some age somewhere.

The cork on the '09 Cordeloux was pristine and it wasn't elevated. I'm guessing heat damage? I did read a note somewhere that someone also had a problematic experience with '09 relatively recently, so possibly something not isolated to this bottle.

And while the Peay Syrahs are worth looking for, I personally thought the Roussanne/Marsanne was the more special of the two (though I think those are hard to find). Just a unique expression of the two grape varieties (it may have helped that they didn't have grenache blanc in the blend).
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Great notes. Especially found your Chartreuse notes interesting given my interest in this variety. If you're ever in Beaune, be sure and go to Ma Cuisine restaurant as it has an amazing collection of Chartreuse...plus excellent food and wine list.

Thank you Pete. If I'm ever in Beaune, Ma Cuisine is on my list of restaurants to visit!
 
originally posted by Larry Stein:
Sorry I missed this, but family comes first.

We missed you Larry! I hope all is well with your family.

I'm looking forward to the next dinner together. Hopefully Belotti or Great China (or Mathilde) sometime in the future.
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
originally posted by Larry Stein:
Sorry I missed this, but family comes first.

We missed you Larry! I hope all is well with your family.

I'm looking forward to the next dinner together. Hopefully Belotti or Great China (or Mathilde) sometime in the future.

Let’s not forget about a possible Huet-a-thon, too.

Mark Lipton
 
BTW, awesome collection of wines, Yule. I too am rather surprised that the LaLas didn’t show more glossiness from the oak, but JLL has also stated that the oak integrates with time. I’ve never been motivated to investigate, truth be told. Interesting thoughts on the whites, too. Vernay’s Condrieu in my limited experience is about as good as Viognier gets.

Mark Lipton
 
Thank you for the notes Yule. I was also curious about the Kobayashi wines, as a close friend who has mostly a disorderly type of palette, raved about their san soufre Syrah. I bought a bottle of the ss Syrah (which I haven’t opened yet) and a bottle of their Marsanne Roussane blend from the latest release. I did try the white Rhône blend and it was pretty typical of what I expected, and a good ringer for a N Rhône white. Quite rich fruit, moderate amount of dry extract, a scosh of minerality but lowish acidity for sure. It was very well done and I think one of the better Washington state whites I’ve tried, but overall felt a little flat from the lowish acidity.
 
originally posted by MLipton:
BTW, awesome collection of wines, Yule. I too am rather surprised that the LaLas didn’t show more glossiness from the oak, but JLL has also stated that the oak integrates with time. I’ve never been motivated to investigate, truth be told. Interesting thoughts on the whites, too. Vernay’s Condrieu in my limited experience is about as good as Viognier gets.

Mark Lipton

Considering how much the LaLas cost, definitely not worth investigating further.

Vernay, on the other hand, a treat to explore. I'm probably not a regular buyer, but I certainly won't turn down a glass in the future.

And yes, Huet-a-Thon. I would love to do that one day!
 
originally posted by Marc D:
Thank you for the notes Yule. I was also curious about the Kobayashi wines, as a close friend who has mostly a disorderly type of palette, raved about their san soufre Syrah. I bought a bottle of the ss Syrah (which I haven’t opened yet) and a bottle of their Marsanne Roussane blend from the latest release. I did try the white Rhône blend and it was pretty typical of what I expected, and a good ringer for a N Rhône white. Quite rich fruit, moderate amount of dry extract, a scosh of minerality but lowish acidity for sure. It was very well done and I think one of the better Washington state whites I’ve tried, but overall felt a little flat from the lowish acidity.

If you can find it, try the Peay Roussanne/Marsanne. I would be interested in getting someone else's read. It was very lively for a Rhone white varietal wine.

And I think you are going to like the Kobayashi SS. Has the natural wine glou-glou aesthetic without being too funky or weird.
 
Yule, I haven't had that many (unfortunately), but I cannot recall not liking a lot all of the Roussanne/Marsanne wines I have had.

. . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Yule, I haven't had that many (unfortunately), but I cannot recall not liking a lot all of the Roussanne/Marsanne wines I have had.

To be honest, I was kind of surprised how much I liked the Roussanne/Marsanne blends. I wasn't expecting much, and they surprised (granted, the Montfaucon was a gluggable Cote du Rhone that was more decent than great, but I can imagine recommending it to friends who aren't too picky about what they drink and don't want too spend much. Certainly better than the New Zealand Sauvignon Blancs they typically get at Trader Joe's).
 
Yule, have you tried the 2010 Cordeloux, by chance? I’ve yet to open a friendly bottle. Hopefully it just needs more time.

About 5 years ago, the Wine Society here in the UK sold the 2006, 2010 and 2011 Cordeloux, having aged some for its members, for £30-£35 per bottle. I wish I had bought more of the 2011. My bottles were as delicious as yours. It’s a rare example of JLL missing a beat on a tasting note. (He is also surprisingly negative on 2011s from the Northern Rhône in general, although maybe my perception of the vintage is skewed by Gonon’s wonderful 2011.)

We had the 2018 Blanc d’Argile on holiday in Brittany in October and loved it also. If only all 2018s from Champagne were as good as that.
 
originally posted by Ben Hunting:
Yule, have you tried the 2010 Cordeloux, by chance? I’ve yet to open a friendly bottle. Hopefully it just needs more time.

I have not had 2010. When was the last time you opened one?

About 5 years ago, the Wine Society here in the UK sold the 2006, 2010 and 2011 Cordeloux, having aged some for its members, for £30-£35 per bottle. I wish I had bought more of the 2011. My bottles were as delicious as yours. It’s a rare example of JLL missing a beat on a tasting note. (He is also surprisingly negative on 2011s from the Northern Rhône in general, although maybe my perception of the vintage is skewed by Gonon’s wonderful 2011.)

I've actually heard some good things about the 2011 vintage in Northern Rhone recently. Both the '11 Cordeloux and the '11 Voge Cornas showed really well. Perhaps not a powerhouse, but a graceful, approachable vintage (at least with these two wines).

If I find some more '11s out in the wild, I will probably spring for them.

We had the 2018 Blanc d’Argile on holiday in Brittany in October and loved it also. If only all 2018s from Champagne were as good as that.

Yeah, the '18s have been very variable for me. Blanc d'Argile was really good, Doyard Vendmiaire (base '18) was also very strong. But. Pierre Paillard Les Parcelle XVIII was just whimpy and lifeless. A minefield.
 
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