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Peter Creasey

Peter Creasey
Clos du Mont-Olivet Chateauneuf-du-Pape '15 -- Dark red, complex bouquet with berry fruits/spice/herbs/etc., fullness with moderate power, still well structured, superb combo of Grenache/Syrah/Mourvedre, nicely restrained and classy CNdP, no rush. [E[

Worked well with sausage/pulled pork, lentils, and roasted squash.

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. . . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:
... superb combo of Grenache/Syrah/Mourvedre/etc ...
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What is the 'etc' part?

I don't follow CdP, but thought this was overwhelmingly Grenache, with a bit of S and M.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Peter Creasey:
... superb combo of Grenache/Syrah/Mourvedre/etc ...
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What is the 'etc' part?

I don't follow CdP, but thought this was overwhelmingly Grenache, with a bit of S and M.
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from jll: "95% Grenache (1904-1905 from Bois Dauphin, Montolivet, La Crau), 5-20% Mourvèdre (1966 until 2012, from 1975-80 sandy soils on Montolivet, clay-stones on Pied de Baud), 0-12% Syrah (1975-80, 1991 from Montolivet)"
 
originally posted by robert ames:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Peter Creasey:
... superb combo of Grenache/Syrah/Mourvedre/etc ...
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What is the 'etc' part?

I don't follow CdP, but thought this was overwhelmingly Grenache, with a bit of S and M.
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from jll: "95% Grenache (1904-1905 from Bois Dauphin, Montolivet, La Crau), 5-20% Mourvèdre (1966 until 2012, from 1975-80 sandy soils on Montolivet, clay-stones on Pied de Baud), 0-12% Syrah (1975-80, 1991 from Montolivet)"
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So that means it can be up to 127%. No wonder alcohols for CNP are so high.
 
Critics, even very good ones like JLL, are not always the best source for technical information. They take notes from a lot of visits and get mixed up. According to the website, the 2022 Mont-Olivet is 75% Grenache, 10% Syrah, 9% Mourvedre and 6% a bunch of other allowed grapes.There are 13 (or 14, depending on how you account) allowed varieties and no AOC controlling percentages. There are 100% Grenache wines, a handful of 100% Syrah or 100% Mourvedre wines, and everything in between, though majority Grenache is the most typical.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Critics, even very good ones like JLL, are not always the best source for technical information. They take notes from a lot of visits and get mixed up.
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And I can speak from experience that it's not always the "critics" who get mixed up; sometimes the producers give different figures to different visitors -- it's really not that a big deal to some and it seems that they like to give what the visitor wants to hear.

One very influential former critic/writer was notorious for publishing incorrect information. Can you guess who?
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Critics, even very good ones like JLL, are not always the best source for technical information. They take notes from a lot of visits and get mixed up. According to the website, the 2022 Mont-Olivet is 75% Grenache, 10% Syrah, 9% Mourvedre and 6% a bunch of other allowed grapes.
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that's not what pete drank
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Critics, even very good ones like JLL, are not always the best source for technical information. They take notes from a lot of visits and get mixed up. According to the website, the 2022 Mont-Olivet is 75% Grenache, 10% Syrah, 9% Mourvedre and 6% a bunch of other allowed grapes.
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that's not what pete drank
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Indeed. The Papet, as you say, is all GSM, though in wildly varying proportions. In 2015, It was 70% Grenache, 15% each Syrah and Mourvedre. In 2020, for contrast, it was 90% Grenache, and 5% each Syrah and Mourvedre.
 
as an aside, i spotted mont-olivet cote du rhone blanc 2021 last year, and it was delightful

i realize 21 is a cooler year, but i am generally very picky in that genre and yet i got a sense i should give this a shot in any vintage
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
as an aside, i spotted mont-olivet cote du rhone blanc 2021 last year, and it was delightful

i realize 21 is a cooler year, but i am generally very picky in that genre and yet i got a sense i should give this a shot in any vintage
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cooler than the hot solar vintages that have become common, but closer to what used to be normal, rather than cool.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Critics, even very good ones like JLL, are not always the best source for technical information. They take notes from a lot of visits and get mixed up.
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And I can speak from experience that it's not always the "critics" who get mixed up; sometimes the producers give different figures to different visitors -- it's really not that a big deal to some and it seems that they like to give what the visitor wants to hear.

One very influential former critic/writer was notorious for publishing incorrect information. Can you guess who?
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One also has to wonder which are quoting an off-hand estimate by the winemaker in casual conversation, and which are based on the winemaker consulting their final blending notes or instructions.
 
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