TN: 2001 Tardieu-Laurent Vacqueyras Vieilles Vignes

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TN: 2001 Tardieu-Laurent Vacqueyras Vieilles Vignes. Good underlying material, but the wood treatment clamps down, even on the second night, to the detriment of the fruit and expression. I vastly preferred the 2000, as that problem was less obvious given the blooming fruit. I wish they would dial back on the wood in their Grenache based wines! Still somewhat pleasurable, and this young wine will likely improve, but it will always carry some negative effects from its wood treatment. Its like being a teenager trying to have sex through ones jeans fun, but not what one really wants to be doing. Why do that to good Grenache? $22.99. 87+ points.
 
originally posted by D. S k r o b a c k:
TN: 2001 Tardieu-Laurent Vacqueyras Vieilles VignesTN: 2001 Tardieu-Laurent Vacqueyras Vieilles Vignes. Good underlying material, but the wood treatment clamps down, even on the second night, to the detriment of the fruit and expression. I vastly preferred the 2000, as that problem was less obvious given the blooming fruit. I wish they would dial back on the wood in their Grenache based wines! Still somewhat pleasurable, and this young wine will likely improve, but it will always carry some negative effects from its wood treatment. Its like being a teenager trying to have sex through ones jeans fun, but not what one really wants to be doing. Why do that to good Grenache? $22.99. 87+ points.
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I can't say I have ever had a T-L wine I liked or one that didn't occlude the taste of the wine not only with wood but with what I presume to be other cellar sorcery I am too ignorant to identify.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by D. S k r o b a c k:
TN: 2001 Tardieu-Laurent Vacqueyras Vieilles VignesTN: 2001 Tardieu-Laurent Vacqueyras Vieilles Vignes. Good underlying material, but the wood treatment clamps down, even on the second night, to the detriment of the fruit and expression. I vastly preferred the 2000, as that problem was less obvious given the blooming fruit. I wish they would dial back on the wood in their Grenache based wines! Still somewhat pleasurable, and this young wine will likely improve, but it will always carry some negative effects from its wood treatment. Its like being a teenager trying to have sex through ones jeans fun, but not what one really wants to be doing. Why do that to good Grenache? $22.99. 87+ points.
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I can't say I have ever had a T-L wine I liked or one that didn't occlude the taste of the wine not only with wood but with what I presume to be other cellar sorcery I am too ignorant to identify.
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They all seem tainted, don't they? But I did have a Cornas (2000, 'Coteaux', I believe) that was gorgeous. And not tainted as badly as a Saint Cosme Cote Rotie...not grenache, but same ideas used re: heavy oaking, in my mind something to be avoided equally in syrah as well as grenache. SAVE A !*%$# TREE!
 
3.78s point per $. That's like getting 2000 Petrus for $378!!!

Well, done!

And fuck you. Welcome to the best place on the interwebs for thread drift and chemo-brain.
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
I'm in the same boat. They seem to get good fruit and then obliterate it with wood.
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Hey, Brad. Agree completelyh. Let's get back to PKDH soon.

I kept a bit in a small bottle, no air, to see if it improved on night three. No luck. Some ox comes in and this is going down the sink. Ah, well.

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Weird, I loved it, and understood this to be cement tank raised - the only TL wine to be so. ? I have hated every other TL wine I've had.
 
I've had it & really liked it too. Never noted extreme wood. Now the other T-L wines on the other hand; well let's say you could build a bridge out of them.
 
originally posted by Brad L i l j e q u i s t:
Weird, I loved it, and understood this to be cement tank raised - the only TL wine to be so. ?
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Brad, not according to their website (or the taste of the wine I tried):

Vacqueyras Vieilles Vignes

AOC : Vacqueyras
Wine type : Red
Terroir : Rolled stones and blue clay
Grape varieties : 80% Grenache, 20% Syrah
Age of the Vines : Over 60 years for the Grenache
Alcohol : 14,5
Elevage : New oak and one Wine casks.
Filtration : No filtration.
Bottling : By hand.
Bottle : Heavy Sommelier Bourgogne
Corks : 49/24 Sardinia
Availability : End of 2003 Beginning of 2004

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www.tardieu-laurent.com

For what its worth, I liked the 2000 much better.
 
Interesting. I wonder if they changed it. I am positive I read somewhere it is raised in cement tank, and certainly what I had was oak free. I wonder if they did different cuvees. The one I got was not a typical TL label and was from PC - perhaps a Euro cuvee?
 
originally posted by Brad L i l j e q u i s t:
Interesting. I wonder if they changed it. I am positive I read somewhere it is raised in cement tank, and certainly what I had was oak free. I wonder if they did different cuvees. The one I got was not a typical TL label and was from PC - perhaps a Euro cuvee?
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I think the Vacqueyras has always been made with new oak and one year old barrels - maybe you had had too much to drink. ;o) I think their Luberon and their Les Bec Fins CDRare raised in cement or stainless, however.
 
I once tasted a moderately attractive 2002 Vacqueyras Les Grandes Bastides from T-L. It seemed concentrated for the year, quite muscular, but I don't remember any oak in it. I wasn't so oak averse back then, so perhaps I just missed it. I don't remember enjoying other T-Ls, however, because in them the oak has been rather heavy handed.
 
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