A so called "data point" in the long term aging prospects for Lapierre Morgon

[BJ]

Geez I hate that term. Can we have a list of unacceptable terms here? Data point...yuck! What are we, statisticians or something?

Anyhoo, at the end of a delightful Burgundy group eve (highlights included an 04 Coche Monthelie, an 88 Bouree GC Clos de la Justice and a tragically, terribly corked 71 Gelin Clos de Beze), a 91 Lapierre Morgon was uncorked. It was decanted over my protestation, but I think regardless of the decanting, it was very enjoyable, but also safely describable as in decline. A little bit of a peanuty finish, never a good sign to me. There was rousing enthusiasm, but it was a little tired, more than I would have expected.

 

[Florida Jim]

originally posted by Brad L i l j e q u i s t:
What are we, statisticians or something?

Well, at least one of us is.
Best, Jim

 

[lars makie]

originally posted by Brad L i l j e q u i s t:
It was decanted over my protestation, but I think regardless of the decanting, it was very enjoyable, but also safely describable as in decline. A little bit of a peanuty finish, never a good sign to me. There was rousing enthusiasm, but it was a little tired, more than I would have expected.

Interesting. I'm not holding out for much, but I've got a '97 in the wings that I hope to open soon. We'll see if it is fairing a little better. I definitely don't plan on decanting it (other than for sediment), though.

 

[BJ]

How is that not decanting it?

Had several 97s about three years ago and they were dandy.

 

[Joe Dressner]

Had you recorked the Lapierre?

 

[lars makie]

originally posted by Brad L i l j e q u i s t:
How is that not decanting it?

Had several 97s about three years ago and they were dandy.

Well, the plan is (which is what I did for the '96 Breton "Senechal" last week) is to stand the bottle upright for a couple hours, pour it into a decanter for as long as I can without getting sediment in and than either clean the bottle out and pour it back in or just pour it from the decanter into a glass(depends on whether I take it anywhere). So, not sure if being poured from a decanter is the same as decanting, per se. Guess the longer it sits in there, the more it is? Is there a sliding scale? How confusing.

Oh, and thanks for the positive note. I'll report back soon.

 

[BJ]

Joe, the shit you put up with. Geez!

 

[BJ]

Stand up the bottle for a week and then drink out of bottle.

 

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

The board assembled a list of unacceptable terms shortly after its inception; but it was shamelessly lampooned. The whole episode was trivial and a little juvenile.

I suppose instead of 'data point,' you could just call it a 'tasting note. One of the bored's diction doges should be wandering past soon, however, and may offer superior wisdom.

I only tried the 05 Lapierre once, when it was still young, and thought it was gross and excessively meaty.

 

[Dan McQ]

originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

I only tried the 05 Lapierre once, when it was still young, and thought it was gross and excessively meaty.

As another meter reading, I tried a 05 Lapierre Morgon (that had been lovingly coddled in the cellar) last year - it was gross and excessively stewed. Natural wine, indeed.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

Are you sure that wasn't a core sample?

 

[Joel Stewart]

i found the '07 morgon to be a sheer delight...and stunning length.

 

[MarkS]

...There was rousing enthusiasm, but it was a little tired,...

No endorsement of liquid viagara here!

 

[scottreiner]

originally posted by Joel Stewart:
i found the '07 morgon to be a sheer delight...and stunning length.

the 07 you tried, in europe or the us?

 

[Joel Stewart]

originally posted by scottreiner:

originally posted by Joel Stewart:
i found the '07 morgon to be a sheer delight...and stunning length.

the 07 you tried, in europe or the us?

Neither, Scott.....I live in Japan.

 

[scottreiner]

originally posted by Joel Stewart:

originally posted by scottreiner:

originally posted by Joel Stewart:
i found the '07 morgon to be a sheer delight...and stunning length.

the 07 you tried, in europe or the us?

Neither, Scott.....I live in Japan.

aha, that's more interesting. i have been very disappointed with the lapierre 07s that i have tried in the us. have not tried the 07 in europe, but i have heard great things...

 

[Brad Kane]

originally posted by scottreiner:
i have been very disappointed with the lapierre 07s that i have tried in the us.

Same here.

 

[Ned Hoey]

"Data point"

A term that has no place in wine conversation, unless you consider yourself a precision measurement
instrument. Unfortunately, some deluded egos out there believe they are.

 

[Jay Miller]

originally posted by Ned Hoey:
"Data point"

A term that has no place in wine conversation, unless you consider yourself a precision measurement
instrument. Unfortunately, some deluded egos out there believe they are.

Eh, it is a piece of data to say that one's perception of a particular wine at a particular time produced a certain reaction. It may not be a precision instrument but it's still data.

 

[Ned Hoey]

originally posted by Jay Miller:

originally posted by Ned Hoey:
"Data point"

A term that has no place in wine conversation, unless you consider yourself a precision measurement
instrument. Unfortunately, some deluded egos out there believe they are.

Eh, it is a piece of data to say that one's perception of a particular wine at a particular time produced a certain reaction. It may not be a precision instrument but it's still data.

Depending on what reference you wish to go by that is technically true, but entirely misses the point.
I didn't say it's an incorrect usage, I'm saying it's an inappropriate one.