Before I go . . .

Florida Jim

Florida Jim
Im gone to CA tomorrow; a few notes to post before I go:

1996 Jadot, Clos St. Denis:
Ludens cough drops and dirt on the nose with considerable bottle bouquet, fairly tight; linen texture in the mouth with dark cherries and earth tones, slightly more giving than the nose, intense, very fine but noticeable tannins; moderate length, slightly drying. Nothing here indicates grand cru, yet.

2002 Clos de la Roilette, Fleurie:
A bit muddy on both the nose and palate and not much sense of place either. Not a bad wine, just not drinking now.

1999 Jaboulet, Cornas:
Funky smells and flavors at first but this rounds into a complex, earth driven wine with some syrah markers and a good dose of Cornas terroir. Better than expected considering a bottle two years ago was mediocre.

2000 V. Dauvissat, Les Clos:
Chablis does not get much better, even though this was showing young. Very full flavored with lemon drop, citrus peel, stone and fresh water scents and flavors, real depth and intensity, excellent concentration and great acidity as I said, none much better. Ill hold the rest of mine until at least 2012.

2002 Taluau, St.-Nicolas-de-Bourgueil VV:
Tobacco leaf, cherry-cranberry and some mineral notes the vegetative elements of the nose do not go over into green bell pepper; medium weight, a little grit in the texture at first but it smoothes, bright fruit, intense but not especially concentrated; medium finish. Nice wine with sausages, white beans and cabbage but probably needs a couple years to resolve. No doubt its Loire cab franc.

2002 Luneau-Papin, Muscadet Excelsior Terroir de Schistes:
Just beautiful; terrific aromatics and a bright but viscous palate with all sorts of complexity, citrus, white pepper, lemon curd I could go on . . . but suffice to say, lovely, lovely wine.

2005 Mondavi, Cabernet Sauvignon:
Oak drek. It isnt just the matter of an oak smell or flavor, its the way the wood insinuates itself into every fiber of smell and flavor, each to become soured and tainted so as to be indistinguishable from a damaged wine. I suspect this was at least decent juice to start with but the barrel treatment assures that it never will be again.

2005 Dom. Chignard, Fleurie Les Moriers:
The glorious breath of Bacchus after the preceding wine; pure, almost haunting aromas of talc, wild strawberry and mineral so utterly captivating; focused, medium weight wine with flavors that follow the nose with nuance, bright and intense; long finish with just a hint of structure showing. The impression I get is that this is only a glimpse of coming attractions but such a perfectly orchestrated one that one cant help but be entranced. Very Fleurie. Just as good on day two.

2006 Do Ferreiro, Albario Cepas Vellas:
Has shed its initial baby fat softness and is now crisp, deep, spicy (almost a ginger note), strongly flavored and very long. As good an albario as I have ever had. Truly a memorable wine.

2004 Dom. Pepire, Muscadet Clos des Briords:
Like mountain spring water; cool, crisp, fresh, charming. Still quite primary but equally, delicious.

2004 Overnoy/Houillon, Arbois Pupillin:
Some sulpher, sweat and funk on the nose with pomegranate, moist earth and truffle tones; very complex in the mouth and hard to describe, light weight but intense, with a series of textures on the palate seemingly dependent upon how much you have swallowed. An odd yet fascinating wine and not to everyones taste. Made of poulsard.

2005 DAngerville, Bourgogne:
Sappy, forward pinot with firmness, depth and clarity; worthy of premier cru status, at least. All the fruit of the vintage and all the structure of DAngerville. Worth every penny of the $30 paid.

N/V Larmandier-Bernier, Blanc de Blanc Champagne:
Maybe a touch sweet but otherwise a flavorful, starter wine witn a good bead and a nice finish.

2007 Scholium Project, Naucratis:
Verdjo done to the nth degree; a bit too sweet on the attack for me but strongly flavored and very pretty wine that matches well with a squash/corn soup.

1998 G. Conterno, Barolo:
Smells and feels more like pinot than nebbiolo; lightweight, floral, anise; feminine to a degree I did not expect.

2002 Huet, Vouvray Demi-Sec Le Mont:
Much less sweet than on release (how does that happen?), well supported with acidity, and very nice with a goat cheese and fig paste desert. Good wine that could use more time but was completely acceptable now.

Best, Jim
 
Much less sweet than on release (how does that happen?)

Magic de-sweetening fairies!

It'll be bone-dry by 2010, then the re-sweetening curve will commence, should be molleux-sweet by 2017, then back down, and so on.
 
Goin to California, where the water tastes like wine....oooooh!!!!
Goin to California, where the water taste like wine....
You know that Georgia water
taste like turpentine!
 
originally posted by Steve Edmunds:
like Jimmie Rodgers sangGoin to California, where the water tastes like wine....oooooh!!!!
Goin to California, where the water taste like wine....
You know that Georgia water
taste like turpentine!

You'll be hearin' from me, troubadour.
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Chris Coad:
Much less sweet than on release (how does that happen?)

Magic de-sweetening fairies!

It'll be bone-dry by 2010, then the re-sweetening curve will commence, should be molleux-sweet by 2017, then back down, and so on.

Are you serious? How does this work, really?
 
Organic acids like malic and lactic esterify with sugars to make things that aren't perceptably sweet, though they still add viscosity and mouthfeel, and they revert in your stomach to sugar and acid. This also reduces the perceived acid at the same time, helping the wine stay in balance.
 
Thanks, Joe, but if the wine starts in acid-sugar balance, what causes the balance to shift through different variations of sweet and dry? And do these Chenins actually oscillate back and forth into sweet and dry phases? I thought the pattern was from perceptible sweetness into a kind of silky-rich dryness with a long plateau. Perhaps this is more of a Riesling pattern.

With Chris, I can't always separate fact from humor, which, I presume, is just what he wants.
 
Pay no attention to the sciencey-sounding guesswork of my slick friend SFJoe.

What part of "magic de-sweetening fairies" was unclear?
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
and...These approach an equilibrium, so things only go so far.

What's interesting is that the equilibrium seems to sit fairly far on the side of esters, since there's no shortage of esters in older wine. (I wouldn't have predicted that, based on solubility issues) There's also the option of acetaldehyde, produced through the slow oxidation of alcohol, forming acetals with the sugars. I wonder where that equilibrium lies?

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:

What's interesting is that the equilibrium seems to sit fairly far on the side of esters, since there's no shortage of esters in older wine. (I wouldn't have predicted that, based on solubility issues)
The solubility of the sugar esters should be fine, and the monoesters of diacids should be OK too. I suppose ethyl malate is OK in an ethanol/water mix as well...?
 
originally posted by SFJoe:

The solubility of the sugar esters should be fine, and the monoesters of diacids should be OK too. I suppose ethyl malate is OK in an ethanol/water mix as well...?

Certainly in the examples you cite, there is no particular issue re solubility. I was thinking more of those low MW esters that you find in older bottles (ethyl butyrate? ethyl hexanoate? ethyl decanoate?) that aren't particularly hydrophilic.

Mark Lipton
 
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