A better Beaujolais, a nice Verdicchio, a disappointing nerello mascalese

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Steve Timko
2007 Guy Breton Morgon Vieilles Vignes - France, Burgundy, Beaujolais, Morgon (3/28/2010)
Best of the three cru Beaujolais I've had this week and a good ambassador for gamay but a notch or two below Lapierre. Light. Disjointed for the first 10 or 15 minutes but it came together after it got air. Slightly out of balance with a little too much tartness. Bright red fruit flavors. Smooth but also a little bit unpolished, a little rustic. Good finish. A Kermit Lynch import.
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2008 Di Giovanna Nerello Mascalese - Italy, Sicily, Sicilia IGT (3/27/2010)
Hard to get a handle on this wine. I was stuck with a pop and pour. I wish now I had tried to decant it. Despite much swirling it only opened up a little bit over dinner. Definitely Eyetalian with the acidic bite. A little bit generic tasting, though. Nothing that made me think of Sicily or nerello mascalese. The flavors were darker berries on the attack and some bitter tannins on the finish. Not much complexity but balanced. I think to be fair to this wine it should age another year or two. It might add some depth. I was hoping for some of the nerello mascalese spice and I got none. While I'm drinking it I'm thinking what I paid for it at Biondivino and how I could probably get a better bottle for less at K&L or Wine Expo. imported by Italia Wine Imports.
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2008 Terre Cortesi Moncaro Verdicchio dei Castelli di Jesi Classico - Italy, Marche, Verdicchio dei Castelli di Jesi Classico (3/27/2010)
Some of these point scores on CellarTracker! suggest this is an average wine but it's pretty good stuff. Grassiness and white fruit on the nose. A nice acidic bite on the palate. Good minerality. Some tropical white fruits. Nice finish. Great balance. Perhaps just a lilttle more austere than the 2007; not as much fruit. Every restaurant menu should have a nice inexpensive white like this. This was actually a better match for the beef ravioli than the Nerello Mascalese. Imported by Tutto-Vino LLC.
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originally posted by Rahsaan:
2007 Guy Breton Morgon Vieilles Vignes a good ambassador for gamay but a notch or two below Lapierre.
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It's also a dollar or two cheaper than Lapierre, isn't it?
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I picked this one up sale for $21 at Kermit Lynch. I don't know what Lapierre sells for these days.
 
In my neck of the woods Lapierre is a few dollars cheaper than Breton.

I quite enjoyed the '07 Breton VV, for what it's worth. If it concentrates some as it ages it will be divine in ten or fifteen years, but if the brett comes out more it will not be drinkable by me (though others will like it just fine, based on my experiences with older Roilette). Very 'burgundian' Morgon, whatever the hell that means (and here I am saying it). The bottles I had weren't too tart or unbalanced for me though they were on the lighter side.

I have trouble seeing the comparison to Lapierre though I guess it was just quantitative. I thought I could make interesting comparisons between the 2005 Foillard Cote du Py and the 2005 Descombes Morgon VV - both had good sap, the former had sweeter fruit, the latter was meatier, both were excellent and in a somewhat similar style partly because of the vintage. And I think I can make an interesting comparison between this Breton and the Monasterio di Corias "Ochoa Meses Barrica" that Chambers was selling a while back. But none of those wines are really all that similar to Lapierre for me. For what it's worth.
 
In my neck of the woods Lapierre is a few dollars cheaper than Breton.
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Sounds like good woods.

But none of those wines are really all that similar to Lapierre for me. For what it's worth.
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Sure there are differences, but these wines aren't the farthest-flung either.
 
originally posted by SteveTimko:
A better Beaujolais, a nice Verdicchio, a disappointing nerello mascalese2007 Guy Breton Morgon Vieilles Vignes - France, Burgundy, Beaujolais, Morgon (3/28/2010)
Best of the three cru Beaujolais I've had this week and a good ambassador for gamay but a notch or two below Lapierre. Light. Disjointed for the first 10 or 15 minutes but it came together after it got air. Slightly out of balance with a little too much tartness. Bright red fruit flavors. Smooth but also a little bit unpolished, a little rustic. Good finish. A Kermit Lynch import.
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had this the other day, at which time i wrote:

"I have always found Bretons Morgons to be the most masculine of the Four, and this time was no exception. There is, as always, the lovely fruit you want in your Morgon, but the barnyard, horse hair, tack room musk is also present, and you must revel in it. The acidity is ample, but it never needs to force itself on you. It is, in the end, just simply delicious."
 
On behalf of the better-bathed members of our gender, I take offense at your equation of masculinity with smelling like a horse.
 
This was actually a better match for the beef ravioli than the Nerello Mascalese.
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You know, sometimes whites do match better with meat dishes than the suspected reds would.
 
originally posted by Steven Spielmann:

    In my neck of the woods Lapierre is a few dollars cheaper than Breton.



I quite enjoyed the '07 Breton VV, for what it's worth. If it concentrates some as it ages it will be divine in ten or fifteen years, but if the brett comes out more it will not be drinkable by me (though others will like it just fine, based on my experiences with older Roilette). Very 'burgundian' Morgon, whatever the hell that means (and here I am saying it). The bottles I had weren't too tart or unbalanced for me though they were on the lighter side.



I have trouble seeing the comparison to Lapierre though I guess it was just quantitative. I thought I could make interesting comparisons between the 2005 Foillard Cote du Py and the 2005 Descombes Morgon VV - both had good sap, the former had sweeter fruit, the latter was meatier, both were excellent and in a somewhat similar style partly because of the vintage. And I think I can make an interesting comparison between this Breton and the Monasterio di Corias "Ochoa Meses Barrica" that Chambers was selling a while back. But none of those wines are really all that similar to Lapierre for me. For what it's worth.
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I'm intrigued with the idea of this wine concentrating as it ages. Because drinking it last night I didn't think it would be more than about a five- or six-year wine. I'm wondering now, though, if some of that backwardness I taste is left there by the winemaker to smooth out as it gets older. That's when the wine's real character comes out.

I make the comparision to Lapierre because they are both from Morgon.

I opened this because another board is having a Beaujolais exploration week. Coincidentally, someone else posted last night about the 2007 Breton VV (I said it was like two women showing up at a party in the same dress). While he lliked his a lot more than I liked mine, he described it as having bright, if not lacerating, acidity.
 
originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
Previously mentioned thoughts about Di Giovanna:

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This is for the red?

I also had the red recently and didn't care for it. Wood dominated the wine.
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My comments were about the Grillo in particular, but I mention disliking the entire range, I believe.
 
originally posted by Cliff:
Does anyone have views on who has the best bits of the CdP? I've heard it opined that Breton does.
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AFAIK Breton's Morgon comes from two of the other Morgon climats [one of which is Grand Cras IIRC] not Cote du Py.

Lapierre has one hectare of Cote du Py out of 11 in Morgon as a whole [I suspect the Cuvee Marcel, when made, comes from there] and others like Foillard, Devignes, Jadot [Chateau des Lumieres], Mommessin, Gauthier, Potel-Aviron, Trenel, Savoye et al have some or make wines with the Cote du Py designation but Breton's wine doesn't show it.
 
originally posted by nigel groundwater: Lapierre has one hectare of Cote du Py out of 11 in Morgon as a whole [I suspect the Cuvee Marcel, when made, comes from there]
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Why doesn't Lapierre put the vineyard on the bottle?

They seem so handy with marketing otherwise.
 
Speaking of Lapierre, I just received a bottle of the 2007 normale, and that thing looks just a step darker than a rose, not at all the spunky darkness of the 2005. Is this really supposed to be this light (hoping it's not a bad bottle; just never seen Beaujolais so light before - like someone snuck pinot in there)?
 
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