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Lou Kessler

Lou Kessler
I need a little information on a couple of wines that Dressner carries in his portfolio.
08 Biancara Pico Bianco Veneto
08 Puzelat en cot we trust
I don't want a description from Dressner because some people might think it's an egregious example of a conflict of interest.
I didn't get an opportunity to taste these two wines in CA at the Dressner trade tasting.
 
I happen to have the Biancara handouts from the Dressner event in NYC. Of the Pico they say, "Pico is pure Garganega, selected in the high hills of Gambellara, begins its fermentation in open vats for 30 - 36 hours. It follows the fermentation in large vats of 15 hl for 12 months. It is bottled without fining or filtration."
 
Just had the Pico last night. It was good, but not up to the fabulosity it showed at the Dressner road show in Seattle. I kept trying to find the right match of temp/air time, but it kept eluding me. The orange-wine cider note was stronger than I recall for the road show tasting.
 
originally posted by Lee Short:
Just had the Pico last night. It was good, but not up to the fabulosity it showed at the Dressner road show in Seattle. I kept trying to find the right match of temp/air time, but it kept eluding me. The orange-wine cider note was stronger than I recall for the road show tasting.
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Sounds like bottle variation.
 
The Pico is an unadulterated expression of a place (gambellara), a grape (garganega) and a vintage (whatever vintage you are drinking (im on 2004).

In Kot We Trust is malbec from the loire (and so much more).
 
originally posted by Lou Kessler:
Info wantedI need a little information on a couple of wines that Dressner carries in his portfolio.
08 Biancara Pico Bianco Veneto
08 Puzelat en cot we trust
I don't want a description from Dressner because some people might think it's an egregious example of a conflict of interest.
I didn't get an opportunity to taste these two wines in CA at the Dressner trade tasting.
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Lou,
I tried the 2006 Pico in Seattle and like Lee thought it was fascinating version of Garganega. It gets brief skin contact and was very different from any other Soave Classico I've tried.

Also you might be want to check the alcohol in the subsequent vintages. Francisco Maule said the abv% got higher in subsequent vintages. In the '06 there was no noticeable alcohol or heat.
 
originally posted by Lee Short:
Just had the Pico last night. It was good, but not up to the fabulosity it showed at the Dressner road show in Seattle. I kept trying to find the right match of temp/air time, but it kept eluding me. The orange-wine cider note was stronger than I recall for the road show tasting.
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Lee,
What vintage are they selling locally?
 
originally posted by Marc D:
originally posted by Lee Short:
Just had the Pico last night. It was good, but not up to the fabulosity it showed at the Dressner road show in Seattle. I kept trying to find the right match of temp/air time, but it kept eluding me. The orange-wine cider note was stronger than I recall for the road show tasting.
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Lee,
What vintage are they selling locally?
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I checked my bottle. It was the 2006.
 
originally posted by Matteo Mollo:
The Pico is an unadulterated expression of a place (gambellara), a grape (garganega) and a vintage (whatever vintage you are drinking (im on 2004).

In Cot We Trust is malbec from the loire (and so much more).
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originally posted by Marc D: I tried the 2006 Pico in Seattle and like Lee thought it was fascinating version of Garganega. It gets brief skin contact and was very different from any other Soave Classico I've tried..
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Sure. But how similar was it to every other 'orange' wine you've had?
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Marc D: I tried the 2006 Pico in Seattle and like Lee thought it was fascinating version of Garganega. It gets brief skin contact and was very different from any other Soave Classico I've tried..
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Sure. But how similar was it to every other 'orange' wine you've had?
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Well, it wasn't extended skin contact, only two days IIRC.
Not as much tannin as others I've tasted but
I've tried less then 10 orange wines,
so not the best person to judge these things.
 
originally posted by Marc D: Well, it wasn't extended skin contact, only two days IIRC.
Not as much tannin as others I've tasted but
I've tried less then 10 orange wines,
so not the best person to judge these things.
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I'm no expert either and certainly don't want to slander the wine or the category. But we had a bottle the other night (was that the 2004 Matteo?) that I found fun enough and it was certainly not exactly the same as other 'orange' wines. But I was not as enthralled as others because it just didn't seem distinctive enough.

But for what it's worth, I loved the C de Noci Notte di Luna that we also had open, so I'm not categorically against this broad 'category'.
 
Interesting comparison Rahsaan. I see where you're coming from putting them near each other stylistically or categorically though i think it is clear they are vastly different wines (though Maule's wines can sometimes do a little self guided fermentation in the bottle yielding a bit of fizz). Is the "category" you are talking about orange wine, san soufre wine or other.

Also, just to note, Steve really liked the Pico and thought it may have been his proverbial "wine of the night".
 
originally posted by Matteo Mollo: Is the "category" you are talking about orange wine..
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Sure. Skin-contact white, whatever we want to call it. (The Pico was a lot paler than other versions but was in the same ballpark of aromas and flavors for me).
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
I still have a problem with the German meaning of cot (Kot).
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But what a perfect match for Crottins de Chavignol!

I would have guessed In Cot We Trust would be a bottling for the U.S. market. I'd buy it just for the label.
 
I would have guessed In Cot We Trust would be a bottling for the U.S. market. I'd buy it just for the label.
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I guess this is why critter-labels sell here; something along the lines of 'You Are So Cute!'
 
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