TN: Dinner in NYC with Marshall and Diana Gelb.

Brad Kane

Brad Kane
Redondo Beach denizens Marshall and Diana Gelb were back in town again and that’s reason enough to party. Thanks to the MTA taking over my building’s storage room for who knows how long as they futz around with the 2nd Avenue Subway project, I have some unwanted trunks in my tiny apartment, making hosting dinner parties a little difficult at the moment. Thankfully, Christine Huang stepped in and graciously agreed to host. I made osso buco and schlepped it down to her hipster Lower East Side pad and she made everything else. Good deal if you can get it, eh? It was a feast really, with stuffed shrimp, tomato tarte tartin, roasted vegetable torta, osso buco with risotto Milanese and a jam crostada for dessert. Joining in the fun were Suzanne Camhi, Kenny Shusterman, Chris Kravitz and Jay Miller. Needless to say, good friends, good wine and good food makes for a great evening!

2009 Bruno Giacaso- Roero Arneis
Aromatically exuberant. Lush flavors and aromas of white flowers, citrus and peaches. There’s a pleasant lushness to the mouthfeel, but the wine is by no means fat. There’s some bitter citrus pith on the finish. I thought this would be a great match with the pesto stuffed shrimp dish, but the bitterness on the finish didn’t really work with the sweetness of the shrimp and the basil. Still, a good wine on its own. A-/B+.

1988 Müller-Catoir- Gewürztraminer Auslese, Häardter Bürgergarten
I love Gewürztraminer from Müller-Catoir and, unfortunately, it’s not that often I get to have them. In fact, I think the last time I had this ’88 was in ’99. Age has been very kind to this wine as it’s just lovely. It’s softened, rich, sweet with honeysuckle, lychee and tropical fruit syrup with enough acidity to not only prevent the wine from being cloying, but to give it grace and a seamless quality. This actually worked well with the shrimp dish. There really needed to be more of this in the bottle. Solid A-.

1993 Domaine Lejeune- Pommard “Les Argilliéres”
Very tart with no real fruit. Seems oxidized. NR.

2008 Fourrier- Morey St. Denis “Clos Sorbés”
Raspberry and cherry aromas that turn cranberry on the palate. Quite acidic with bright fruit, a bit of spice and earth. There’s a bit too much of a stemmy note on the finish. B.

2008 Rhys- Syrah, Skyline Vineyard, Santa Cruz Mountains
Blackberry and brambly fruit with a lot of spice and a little bit of olive. Way too much oak here which lends an unpleasant bitterness to the wine and I’m not convinced there’s enough fruit to absorb it all with time. A bit one-dimensional and linear. B-.

It should be noted that Jay tried the ‘ol switch-a-roo, placing the Rhys wine in the Fourrier bottle and the Fourrier in the Rhys bottle, but I can’t say anyone was really convinced given the talk about the purple color of the “Fourrier” and wondering if they had a stylistic change. The fact that Jay had fits of unprovoked and uncontrolled laughter didn’t help his cause, either.

1997 Isole e Olena- Cepparello, Toscana
This is showing quite nicely despite the fact that it had just been pulled from a rack for the dinner with no time to let it stand so the sediment could settle a bit. As a result, the wine was a touch muddled. That said, the wine showed a nice core of red fruit with baked earth, dried roses and spice. The solid structure clearly suggests this can still sit in the cellar some more. Nice length and a wonderful match with the osso buco. A-.

2004 Montevertine- Le Pergole Torte, Toscana
This is simply one of the most shut down wines I’ve ever had. It’s even tighter than a bottle tried in January of 2010 at a Montevertine dinner. Really, not much more than structure showing, so judgment reserved.

1998 Casse Base (Soldera)- Brunello di Montalcino
This was my red wine of the night. It’s bursting with delicious strawberry and cherry fruit, earth and spice, but there’s wonderful refinement and class to this wine. There’s richness, yet elegance and it’s something I always get with Soldera. Drinking well now, though no harm in holding. Solid A-.

2001 Prunotto- Barbaresco “Bric Turot”
Nice black fruit here with a bit of tar and spice. It’s well-made, though a bit polished and I wish it showed a little more personality. Seems to be just entering its drinking window. Low A-.
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
1988 Müller-Catoir- Gewürztraminer Auslese, Häardter Bürgergarten
... There really needed to be more of this in the bottle.
Sounds like my usual response to Hans-Gunter Schwarz wines. Was this the sweet Auslese, or the Auslese trocken?

Sounds like a fun night (though no photos for us?)
 
Perhaps Jay was laughing because he actually did not switch them?

I tasted the Fourrier in the cellar quickly before Jay headed out ( I spend all my evenings there waiting, hoping that Jay is on his way to dinner somewhere and needs to double decant ), and have to conclude that either the wine closed down or you've decided to save your mention of mineral-laced venison complexity in the back palate for your upcoming published works.
 
originally posted by Salil Benegal:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
1988 Müller-Catoir- Gewürztraminer Auslese, Häardter Bürgergarten
... There really needed to be more of this in the bottle.
Sounds like my usual response to Hans-Gunter Schwarz wines. Was this the sweet Auslese, or the Auslese trocken?

Sounds like a fun night (though no photos for us?)

It was the regular Auslese.

Here are some pics for your viewing pleasure:

The group.
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The wines.
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Shrimp stuffed with pesto.
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Tomato tarte tatin.
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Roasted vegetable torta.
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Osso buco.
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Risotto Milanese.
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Osso buco and risotto Milanese...a perfect match.
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Jam crostada.
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That torta looks good. How is that cooked?

Did anyone else think the Rhys was just too young?
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
There's a Pierre Usseglio that was uncommented on. I'm particularly interested in Jay's notes.

My April Fool's joke of switching the Fourrier MSD and Rhys syrah is nothing compared with the one that Chateauneuf producers are pulling on the rest of the world.
 
originally posted by MarkS:
That torta looks good. How is that cooked?

It's actually pretty easy, just a little time consuming. I didn't make this one, but when I've done it, you just slice the vegetables all about 1/4" thick, roast them on baking sheets and then it's like making lasagna. You get a cake pan and start layering.
 
originally posted by MarkS:
That torta looks good. How is that cooked?

Did anyone else think the Rhys was just too young?

The torta was amazing. Best thing on the table and that's saying quite a bit.

I'm uncertain on the Rhys syrah. It's certainly not much fun to drink now, I'm hoping that time will soften it.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
Perhaps Jay was laughing because he actually did not switch them?

I tasted the Fourrier in the cellar quickly before Jay headed out ( I spend all my evenings there waiting, hoping that Jay is on his way to dinner somewhere and needs to double decant ), and have to conclude that either the wine closed down or you've decided to save your mention of mineral-laced venison complexity in the back palate for your upcoming published works.

It did shut down a bit but it was still much better than Brad is making it out to be.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by .sasha:
Perhaps Jay was laughing because he actually did not switch them?

I tasted the Fourrier in the cellar quickly before Jay headed out ( I spend all my evenings there waiting, hoping that Jay is on his way to dinner somewhere and needs to double decant ), and have to conclude that either the wine closed down or you've decided to save your mention of mineral-laced venison complexity in the back palate for your upcoming published works.

It did shut down a bit but it was still much better than Brad is making it out to be.

As I just posted in your tn post on it, you would like it a lot more than me as there was precious little fruit and a ton of acidity. It would've been better without the stemminess.
 
Sounds like a fun night (though no photos for us?)[/quote]

I simply cannot say enough about the generosity of Christine and Brad. A great evening with a few "old" friends and a pleasure to meet Jay Miller. The food was simply fantastic and the range of wines was extraordinary.

Cheers!
Marshall
 
Interesting on the Fourrier, I had the 08 Gevrey VV over the weekend and while I enjoyed it, it struck me as awfully tart and crunchy. Very pure, sure, but I almost would have preferred a bit more flesh and ripeness. An 08 Mugneret-Gibourg Vosne next to it was definitely the more simply enjoyable bottle.

For those that don't know, my day job is as the assistant winemaker at Rhys...

Both the 07 Horseshoe and 08 Skyline Syrah saw about 1/3 new oak in the form of four year air dried barrels. I haven't had the 07 Horseshoe lately but we recently had both 08's open at the winery and they certainly are structured wines and definitely showed better on the second day. I think all of our 08 reds are shutting down, in some cases quite hard...
 
that's interesting, at the Paulee NY tasting the four Fourrier 08 reds were more open than Mugneret-Gibourg wines, with the exception of NSG Chaignots.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
There's a Pierre Usseglio that was uncommented on. I'm particularly interested in Jay's notes.

My April Fool's joke of switching the Fourrier MSD and Rhys syrah is nothing compared with the one that Chateauneuf producers are pulling on the rest of the
world.

I have to disagree a bit with Jay....the Pierre Usseglio was a bit controversial but I did not find it particularly "New World." It was a '98 and the base cuvee so I did not find it over-extracted. It still had Chateauneuf character although I would not age it much longer. I am not a fan of "luxury cuvees", Usseglio or otherwise as I think they detract from the style and beauty of "real" Chateauneuf du Pape.

Cheers!
Marshall
 
I don't belief that Jay was characterizing Usseglio as "New World." He was characterizing it as Chateauneuf du Pape and hence by definition a travesty of wine. It should be remembered, however, that he has written favorably about Mon Aieul 03. Thus it may be that he actually prefers New World CdP.

I agree with Marshall about the 98 Usseglio as about base level Usseglio generally. I don't know that the 98 will get any better, but I don't expect it to fall down and die in the immediate future either.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I don't belief that Jay was characterizing Usseglio as "New World." He was characterizing it as Chateauneuf du Pape and hence by definition a travesty of wine. It should be remembered, however, that he has written favorably about Mon Aieul 03. Thus it may be that he actually prefers New World CdP.

As always Jonathan - your analysis is both incisive and (other than the last line) accurate.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I don't belief that Jay was characterizing Usseglio as "New World." He was characterizing it as Chateauneuf du Pape and hence by definition a travesty of wine. It should be remembered, however, that he has written favorably about Mon Aieul 03. Thus it may be that he actually prefers New World CdP.

As always Jonathan - your analysis is both incisive and (other than the last line) accurate.

I offer the following syllogism. As with all syllogisms, the rub is in the major proposition, but in this case, the major proposition isn't too far out there:

1)Normal Pierre Usseglio is a traditional CdP and Usseglio Mon Aieul is more like a new world wine than the normal cuvee.

2)Jay prefers Usseglio Mon Aieul (2003!) to normal Usseglio.

3)Jay prefers a more New World CdP to a less New World CdP.

The field is now open for rampant generalizations and irresponsible conclusions.
 
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