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Florida Jim
2007 François Cotat, Rosé:
13% alcohol; tasted over several nights with salads or curries; brassy color; smells as one would expect, sort of strawberry meets mineral; full flavored and about sec-tendre sweetness, balanced and medium length. Both Diane and I agree, it is well made but we like rosé bone-dry and this isn’t. Better with curries but not something I will buy again, particularly in view of its $40 price.

1998 Vieux Télégraphe, CdP:
14% alcohol; a lovely meat, iron, fruit nose that is very expansive (open the bottle, fill the room with aroma); much the same on the palate with some complexity, excellent integration and balance, and good sustain. Grenache and I usually don’t play well together but I enjoyed this; not a great wine but a very good one. Terrific with ‘bubble and squeak.’

2009 Jadot, Beaujolais-Villages:
13% alcohol; nothing suggests carbonic maceration; strong strawberry and black raspberry scents; solid flavors that follow the nose with good balance with a medium length finish. Not remarkable but enjoyable. With a pasta dish that included greens, olives, tomatoes, sausage and parmesan cheese, nice.

2002 François Chidaine, Montlouis Les Choisilles:
12.5% alcohol; on several previous occasions, I was not pleased with this wine (a touch sweet, a little unfocused, etc.) but tonight, that changed; if one could imagine a reduction of quince, perfectly ripe, bright, concentrated, tangy, with perhaps just a hit of mineral, that’s this wine. No wool, lanolin, herb etc.; just the purest, deepest, most intense yet balanced fruit I can remember from a chenin. And with grilled chicken, Caesar salad, caramelized onions and crusty bread, as good a pairing as I have ever had. Oh my!
Finally, I get this producer.

Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
2002 François Chidaine, Montlouis Les Choisilles:
12.5% alcohol; on several previous occasions, I was not pleased with this wine (a touch sweet, a little unfocused, etc.) but tonight, that changed...Finally, I get this producer.

So what did you learn? Don't taste the wines in the middle stage of shutdownness? This wine was gloriously racy (to my tastes) from 2003-2005. (I haven't had it since).

Also, I wonder if that lesson applies to the other wines being made by Chidaine now. I haven't studied them myself but the recent wines strike me as less prone to awkward shutdown phases than Huet and Foreau.

But hey, I'm sure it varies by vintage, cuvee, and taster!
 
I had the 2004 Cotat rose that swore me off it too...but it wasn't the pricetag and it was bone-chillingly dry. Glad you had a better experience.
 
When does and for how long does Chidaine normally shut down? I have some '05 Clos Habert I want to try, but I'm a little worried they might be shut down right now.
 
If only more folks would swear off the Cotat rose. One might then see it around now and again.

Maybe we could start a movement.
 
I like F. Cotat rosé. While my preference is for pinot noir rosés to be dry generally, I find Cotat to be a worthwhile unique experience that I would like even more if it were available for something like about $20 -$25 like it was when I first started buying it. I had the 07 last year and thought it was distinctive, very fine and beautiful.

However, contrarian that I am, I'm content to be in the minority. I insist even.

Let them buy Tempier.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
If only more folks would swear off the Cotat rose. One might then see it around now and again.

Maybe we could start a movement.

I'll swear off of it, but what will you swear off of in return.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
If only more folks would swear off the Cotat rose. One might then see it around now and again.

Maybe we could start a movement.

I'll swear off of it, but what will you swear off of in return.

I'm ready to give up on Selosse.
 
originally posted by Guilhaume gerard:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
If only more folks would swear off the Cotat rose. One might then see it around now and again.

Maybe we could start a movement.

I'll swear off of it, but what will you swear off of in return.

I'm ready to give up on Selosse.

i'm ready to give up on bouchard.

You can't give up on what you never liked in the first place.

Oddly enough, it doesn't seem to matter that you disparaged the wines, as they have subsequently become broadly acknowledged as quite good.

It is surprising that your vitriol didn't have more sway with the general public.

Actually, no, it's not surprising at all.
 
originally posted by Guilhaume gerard:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
If only more folks would swear off the Cotat rose. One might then see it around now and again.

Maybe we could start a movement.

I'll swear off of it, but what will you swear off of in return.

I'm ready to give up on Selosse.

i'm ready to give up on bouchard.

I love Bouchard too much but I am still in search of my Champagne compass. Tell me (us) more about your grievances with Bouchard.
 
originally posted by Bryan Garcia:
originally posted by Guilhaume gerard:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
If only more folks would swear off the Cotat rose. One might then see it around now and again.

Maybe we could start a movement.

I'll swear off of it, but what will you swear off of in return.

I'm ready to give up on Selosse.

i'm ready to give up on bouchard.

I love Bouchard too much but I am still in search of my Champagne compass. Tell me (us) more about your grievances with Bouchard.

i have no problem with the wines, i just rather not drink them. I tasted them many, many times, sometimes blind even, and they never talked to me. I'd much rather drink lassaigne's cuvee made in tank than Cedric's, but hey, i won't hate you for liking the wines...
and of course, i feel terrible for having a different take on them than the educated mass, but i have to live with that i guess, since i failed at convincing the whole world to follow my taste in champagne and only mine.
one more thing, my opinion is not based on "tasting" the wines through wine reps, it is based on buying the wines many times, and spending time with them in my glass. So far, i think i have drank a good half dozen of inflorescence bottling, as well as some of that "parcelle" (if i remember correctly the spelling) from magnum (02 i believe, but i might be wrong), and a few other i can't exactly recall. One more thing i'd like to say though, even if i have not enjoyed the wines yet, i am still drinking them once in a while hoping to finally get on the wagon, and even if i won't be ordering them as often as the wines of Lassaigne, Selosse, Egly Ouriet, Larmandier and a few others, i won't ever turn down an opportunity to drink them again, and would happily acknowledge a great bottle if i encounter one!
Actually, i'll make a point of posting about my first great bottle of Bouchard right here on disorder as soon as i find it!
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
Lassaigne...now that is a producer I would never give up on.

he's the real deal i think. tasted some amazing wines from barrel a few months ago. A true gentlemen as well. with a clear vision of where he's going.
 
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