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97 Cabrieres
- Thread starter BJ
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Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
I'm missing what this is. Would you mind expounding a bit?
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
It's a Chateauneuf. Never one of my favorites, but usually OK. I believe they added a special cuvee version in the aughts which was a horror show (as opposed to horrorshow).
BJ has been regaling us lately with tasting notes of under the radar Southern Rhone wines from less renowned years with a lot of age on them. I am fascinated. A 97 that is still drinking well doesn't surprise me. But those 92s and 93s he is opening and describing as at the height of their existence certainly have me rethinking what I thought.
BJ has been regaling us lately with tasting notes of under the radar Southern Rhone wines from less renowned years with a lot of age on them. I am fascinated. A 97 that is still drinking well doesn't surprise me. But those 92s and 93s he is opening and describing as at the height of their existence certainly have me rethinking what I thought.
I have a reputation for preferring my wines on the older side, but I don't see it that way. I would actually say the 92s and 93s I've been posting on are slightly on the back side of their peak maturity, but not badly so. Those vintages in particular I think needed some time to loosen up and so I'm guessing they had fairly limited windows of pleasure; however I say that without having experienced them in their youth. I am nowadays actually sliding my prefered Grenache window towards the 10-15 year range, though that certainly is a generalization.
My favorite CNP vintage for current drinking is 99. It was just a wonderful year. Lots of folks who favor northern wines are really missing out on the cooler vintage southern Rhones, there's a lot of pleasure out there to be had. The only vintage from the aughts I would touch now are 2000s, and I've actually been enjoying those for a while.
My favorite CNP vintage for current drinking is 99. It was just a wonderful year. Lots of folks who favor northern wines are really missing out on the cooler vintage southern Rhones, there's a lot of pleasure out there to be had. The only vintage from the aughts I would touch now are 2000s, and I've actually been enjoying those for a while.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
I'm completely on board with the 99s. A lot of my 04s are drinking well now, though, as, amazingly, are 05s, though they probably are a lot younger than you like them. I always buy enough of these so I can start drinking them at 6-8 years and keep them through 15-20, depending upon how they do at ages 10-12. But I did drink up most of my 92s and 93s by the time they were 10. None of mine did that well for me as they aged. Maybe I should have just been more patient.
I'm on board with you both about the '99s and I will confess to still hanging on to a few '89s and '90s, but that's mostly Beaucastel (I'm an amateur bacteriologist at heart). I expect to get to some of the lighter '98s as well over the next few years, then maybe some '00s. I'm not going to broach my '01s for a good long while, though.
Mark Lipton
Mark Lipton
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
Most 01s are still on the beginning side of their prime, though few are still desultory adolescents. I'm holding back after tasting a bunch this year. The Charvin, though, is wonderful.
originally posted by MLipton:
I'm on board with you both about the '99s and I will confess to still hanging on to a few '89s and '90s, but that's mostly Beaucastel (I'm an amateur bacteriologist at heart). I expect to get to some of the lighter '98s as well over the next few years, then maybe some '00s. I'm not going to broach my '01s for a good long while, though.
Mark Lipton
Lots of fine 89s and 90s still for sure.
originally posted by BJ:
originally posted by MLipton:
I'm on board with you both about the '99s and I will confess to still hanging on to a few '89s and '90s, but that's mostly Beaucastel (I'm an amateur bacteriologist at heart). I expect to get to some of the lighter '98s as well over the next few years, then maybe some '00s. I'm not going to broach my '01s for a good long while, though.
Mark Lipton
Lots of fine 89s and 90s still for sure.
Necrophilia.
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by BJ:
Lots of fine 89s and 90s still for sure.
Necrophilia.
(Oeno)pedophile!
Mark Lipton
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
After around 2000, I wasn't able to keep my hands off of my 89s and 90s, alas. Final bottles of numbers of them last year were generally wonderful and I expect they still are. I do still have some 90 Beaus, thankfully, but they are dwindling.
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
After around 2000, I wasn't able to keep my hands off of my 89s and 90s, alas. Final bottles of numbers of them last year were generally wonderful and I expect they still are. I do still have some 90 Beaus, thankfully, but they are dwindling.
Chateauneuf was still making good wine back then.