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First wine opened...

05 S Esmonin Volnay Santenots - The brett competes with oak and in the end, the alcohol wins. Who shit vodka in the ashtray?

This started a trend of opening wines "unlikely to impress"

04 Kana Ciel du Cheval - Hot as hell and ashy as getout, like a raspberry 'tini with a cigarette garnish. Disgusting. Hard to say which was worse between this and the Esmonin, this is worse but the Esmonin is more disgusting perhaps.

98 Musar - Wonderful, if you're into wines that are flawed in numerous ways. I couldn't find anything to like here. Warm, somewhat pruney, pyrazine, with a bit of brett and some VA. So far the best bottle of the night.

04 Niepoort Redoma - Ashy bubblegum fireworks with a tutti frutti palate that loses out to drying oak tannin. Still, better than the Musar.

01 Fourrier Chambolle Gruenchers - People who think 01 Fourriers are fine or will get better don't understand VA.

At least the cellar at home is fairly out of bombs now!
 
originally posted by Josh Beck:

01 Fourrier Chambolle Gruenchers - People who think 01 Fourriers are fine or will get better don't understand VA.
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Every wine?

(PS--empirically, I'd say that VA is not a fact or a concept that people "understand," it's a flavor that generates different experiences in different people at different concentrations.)
 
Too bad, my favourite 1er in Cote d'Or. The 04 was lovely recently. For people who don't understand CO2, that is.
 
Where was the all barolo that you were buying? No guarantee that it would have made the show beter, but probably a close bet that it would have.
 
originally posted by Josh Beck:
shit showFirst wine opened...

05 S Esmonin Volnay Santenots - The brett competes with oak and in the end, the alcohol wins. Who shit vodka in the ashtray?
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Recent Esmonin vintages have been crazy oaky, even her simpe Cuvee Sylvie.
 
if i am to be forced to endure many more of these fucking n00bs whining about shit-they-were-warned-to-avoid, i'm going to have to think seriously about maintaining my seat on the council of justice. (tm)

it's one thing to dedicate one's life to fighting the forces of evil, but do you motherfuckers even realize the cost involved to a plus-sized superhero every time he has to squeeze the costume tighty-whiteys over his out-size motherfucking pants?

nah. didn't think so.

and so think about the last time you had to listen to some fucking rube opining about a guaranteed 100% closed bottle of burgundy. where was the nearest phone box you knew of, motherfucker?

precistee-fucking-mento: no-where to be found.

by the time you found a suitable spot for you to squeeze the oh-so-constricting superhero underpants over the rest of your garb (shit, did i tuck in my cape?), the motherfucker had already started a thread with over 200 replies entitled "why teh cali-pinotz that a motherfuker can stick his undersized weenie into and still feel cool about are soooo much better than teh french shitz that tastes liyek rainwater, battery acid and old hub caps" on eturd.com.

yup.

plus ce change, but nothing ever fucking changes. i mean, what is the point?

bite me, n00b, and expect a bill from my seamstress for repairs to the fatcape.

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originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Josh Beck:

01 Fourrier Chambolle Gruenchers - People who think 01 Fourriers are fine or will get better don't understand VA.
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Every wine?

(PS--empirically, I'd say that VA is not a fact or a concept that people "understand," it's a flavor that generates different experiences in different people at different concentrations.)
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I've not had a good 01 Fourrier since about 05.

While VA at very low levels can be viewed as a "complexity" or "lift" it cannot get better with time, but it can get worse, and at high levels it ruins the wine.

We retasted these wines again for chuckles today, not one person liked any single one of the wines, or even thought any of them were drinkable, for what it's worth.
 
originally posted by fatboy:
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If you think the 01 Fourrier is closed you should go buy them up and see how it works out for you.

If you think the 05 Esmonin Santenots is closed you should go buy them up and see how it works out for you.
 
originally posted by Cristian Dezso:
Where was the all barolo that you were buying? No guarantee that it would have made the show beter, but probably a close bet that it would have.
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We've had some great Barolo lately. 05 Cappellano Pie Franco, while tannic, was tremendous for it's depth and purity. 04 Cavallotto Vignolo over the weekend delivered a tremendous amount of pleasure. 06 F Rinaldi Brunate lately as well was incredibly rewarding. An 05 Guido Porro Lazzairasco reaffirmed just what a great deal that wine is.

A dog too - 00 Fontanabianca Sori Burdin most recently, dried out by oak, pretty charmless, the base bottling that sees less oak seems better from this producer, based on the small handful I've tried. But it was still far better than anything last night :)
 
06 F Rinaldi Brunate lately as well was incredibly rewarding.
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Isn't this supposed to be a brute? Or are B&B's truly being fashioned in a way that makes you question their strength 10 years out? Many recent ones have been very accessible shall we say...
 
originally posted by Josh Beck:

whiney bullshit.
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i don't buy fourrier or s esmonin (except for the purposes of guillhaume's education), nor do i ever intend to. you did though. if you listen hard, you won't hear the sound of any chubby hands clapping.

i don't buy them because they are exactly the kind of burgundies that stupid n00bs buy because some hipster motherfucker on teh interwebs told them they ought to. but that aside, the fact is that both will be better with time.

how do i know this? i know it because i've followed enough burgundy from vintages like 01 and 05 over the years to have some idea of how they develop. even mediocre crap from over hyped hacks like fourrier and s esmonin.

indeed, as far as 05 red burgundy goes, i've been counselling the n00bs and lurkers to expect exactly the kind of dumbassed nonsense you posted for a long time now. a long fucking time. your notes are a clear demonstration that you know jack shit about burgundy; and your reply is a clear demonstration that in your case, the path to enlightenment is going to be littered with disappointment, and a shit load of lame-assed crap from the likes of roumier and chandon de brialles.

doubtless that path will be lit up for the rest of us by lots more whining and posturing and bullshit when it all goes wrong. i hope it works out well for you.

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You can disagree all you want but the Fourrier was overtly flawed, and not in a subjective way. If you think it will improve that says more about you than about the wine. The Esmonin was a shitpile that was miles out of my wheelhouse but you're free to go to bat for it all you want.

I also thought the 08 d'Angerville Champans sucked the other night, so go to town with that one :)
 
originally posted by MarkS:
06 F Rinaldi Brunate lately as well was incredibly rewarding.
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Isn't this supposed to be a brute? Or are B&B's truly being fashioned in a way that makes you question their strength 10 years out? Many recent ones have been very accessible shall we say...
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I won't know for 20 years if this wine will go the distance but I have wagered 11 more bottles that it will.

06's certainly have ripe fruit and ripe tannin. But I've liked a lot of them more than I expected, they were balanced and retained freshness and precision. Some that seemed awfully ripe / lush on release are already focusing and becoming more linear. That said, there are a few I've bought that still have little ?'s over their heads for me... 06 F Rinaldi Cannubio and 06 Brovia Villero namely. 06 Cascina Francia has one too. We shall see.

For what it's worth I don't think a wine need be undrinkable tannic in youth to be long lived, and I'm not sure that a wine that is undrinkable in youth holds a promise of greater eventual complexity. I'm not arguing for crap winemaking at all, just saying I think a lot of 01, 04, 05 and 06 B&B that have been pleasurable in youth will go the distance...
 
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