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Cristian Dezso

Cristian Dezso
Not the best I've head but perhaps it's the age. Opened up with a nice incense nose and later, for a few minutes, it had a nice sort of wild flowery smell, and maybe some tobacco. But then it all completely disappeared, except for the bitter tannins that were present all along. Maybe next year? Pity, too, that this wine is getting priced now in the mid 20s.

Cristi
 
I agree that it's not the best of recent years, but I liked it better than you did. Yes, it's a bit sour; the acidity has some oomph, and it doesn't quite show the weightless quality it had in 2002 in particular. It's more to the Chinon side of the spectrum than Volnay. I still found it satisfying, and I'm confident it will sort itself out in a few months. I remember a bunch of us were shocked at how blocky and black-fruited the 2004 showed when it first landed, it it opened up nicely a year or so later.
 
p.s. agree on pricing, though I think this is pretty fair given the quality. I wonder more about the $30-something the mid-level version goes for.
 
originally posted by Cliff:
hmmm, just had this one tooI agree that it's not the best of recent years, but I liked it better than you did. Yes, it's a bit sour; the acidity has some oomph, and it doesn't quite show the weightless quality it had in 2002 in particular. It's more to the Chinon side of the spectrum than Volnay. I still found it satisfying, and I'm confident it will sort itself out in a few months. I remember a bunch of us were shocked at how blocky and black-fruited the 2004 showed when it first landed, it it opened up nicely a year or so later.
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Exactly my thoughts in comparing it to both 2002 and 2004. So yeah indeed, I hope in a year or so it will give much more enjoyment.

Looking forward to trying the Montevertine Rosso 2004, wich probably will end up being in the low $40s. Oh well... I enjoyed the 01 version of it quite a bit.
 
I haven't had this yet, but am anxiously awaiting it's arrival.

2006 is rumored to be an excellent vintage in that part of Tuscany. Thus, it wouldn't surprise me if it were more concentrated and blocky than you'd want right now.

I think the 2004 Montervertine Riserva at $40 is still a decent value. It's the Pergole Torte at ~$100 that hurts my feelings.
 
originally posted by VLM:
HmmI haven't had this yet, but am anxiously awaiting it's arrival.

2006 is rumored to be an excellent vintage in that part of Tuscany. Thus, it wouldn't surprise me if it were more concentrated and blocky than you'd want right now.

I think the 2004 Montervertine Riserva at $40 is still a decent value. It's the Pergole Torte at ~$100 that hurts my feelings.
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With the euro under $1.30, and the emails I'm getting from anxious auctioneers, some of those retail prices may start to look a little better in a while.

Of course, we'll see if we have a nickel or two left to spend when it happens.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:

With the euro under $1.30, and the emails I'm getting from anxious auctioneers, some of those retail prices may start to look a little better in a while.

Of course, we'll see if we have a nickel or two left to spend when it happens.
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The recent HDH auction provided me with some insight into how the recent economic news has affected the secondary markets. Whereas in earlier HDH auctions, one could expect many of the lots to exceed the HDH estimates, in this most recent one the winning bids were almost always in the midrange of the estimates. I was lowballing four different lots and was outbid on all of them, but there was a lot of 5 '70 Bdx that I'd considered (Montrose, Palmer and Lynch-Bages) that ended up selling for $550 (estimated at $700-1000). There were even two lots that failed to make the reserve, a first AFAICT for an HDH auction.

So, it looks like the market has softened but is still fairly active. In particular, trophy wines are still fetching silly prices, but older bottles of less prestigious wines can be had for a fair price it would seem.

Mark Lipton
(bottom feeder)
 
originally posted by VLM:
HmmI haven't had this yet, but am anxiously awaiting it's arrival.

2006 is rumored to be an excellent vintage in that part of Tuscany. Thus, it wouldn't surprise me if it were more concentrated and blocky than you'd want right now.

I think the 2004 Montervertine Riserva at $40 is still a decent value. It's the Pergole Torte at ~$100 that hurts my feelings.
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The 01 Rosso was $29.99 when I bought it. In absolute terms, $10 is not such a big deal indeed, but in relative terms 33% seems quite a lot. I'll nevertheless buy it. The 04 Pergole Torte at $100 - that is indeed pretty bad. Though I've seen it for $80. I still think the best deal is the '99, still available for $59.99.
 
Agree with the various comments on the '06 PdC not showing that much now. As Cliff says above,I'd compare it to the '04 on release, and I think it will be better in a year or two.

I had the '95 Montevertine Riserva Saturday night. It was wonderful -- pure, a little on the brawny side still -- with many, many years ahead of it.
 
originally posted by Bwood:
Agree with the various comments on the '06 PdC not showing that much now. As Cliff says above,I'd compare it to the '04 on release, and I think it will be better in a year or two.

I had the '95 Montevertine Riserva Saturday night. It was wonderful -- pure, a little on the brawny side still -- with many, many years ahead of it.
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1995 is a great great vintage of Montevertine. I only wish I had some left. I'm always looking out that's for sure.
 
originally posted by Cristian Dezso:
originally posted by VLM:
HmmI haven't had this yet, but am anxiously awaiting it's arrival.

2006 is rumored to be an excellent vintage in that part of Tuscany. Thus, it wouldn't surprise me if it were more concentrated and blocky than you'd want right now.

I think the 2004 Montervertine Riserva at $40 is still a decent value. It's the Pergole Torte at ~$100 that hurts my feelings.
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The 01 Rosso was $29.99 when I bought it. In absolute terms, $10 is not such a big deal indeed, but in relative terms 33% seems quite a lot. I'll nevertheless buy it. The 04 Pergole Torte at $100 - that is indeed pretty bad. Though I've seen it for $80. I still think the best deal is the '99, still available for $59.99.
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I was little non-plussed by the 1999. The 2001 was good, but not great, IMO. According to some Kant loving Italian wine experts, 2004 is the year that Montevertine is back on form.
 
originally posted by Steve Guattery:
How's the 2001 Pergole Torte?
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OK. That's what I was referring to above. I had it a couple of times and couldn't get it to move me, so I didn't jump in for more.

It was still available last time I checked. Maybe showing better now.

Has anyone had the 2003?
 
1995 is a great great vintage of Montevertine. I only wish I had some left. I'm always looking out that's for sure.
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Hope to post soon on 1995 Il Sodaccio. Nathan, when you come back to DC we'll open the other one I have.

I was little non-plussed by the 1999. The 2001 was good, but not great, IMO. According to some Kant loving Italian wine experts, 2004 is the year that Montevertine is back on form.
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'99 might not be the the greatest but I have faith and I think it's a good qpr. I hear the same about '04. And finally, though I have not tried it, I am waiting for an opportunity to open the sole '96 Pergole Torte that I have. I still remember Luca's post from a long time ago, saying that it might be among the best.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Steve Guattery:
How's the 2001 Pergole Torte?
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OK. That's what I was referring to above. I had it a couple of times and couldn't get it to move me, so I didn't jump in for more.
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Aha, I see. Thanks. The 2001 Pergole Torte is still available in my area at $60, the '99 for $56.
 
originally posted by Cristian Dezso:

Hope to post soon on 1995 Il Sodaccio. Nathan, when you come back to DC we'll open the other one I have.
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1995 Il Sodaccio is gorgeous. Especially from magnum.
 
I am waiting for an opportunity to open the sole '96 Pergole Torte that I have. I still remember Luca's post from a long time ago, saying that it might be among the best.
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The '96 is a great wine. Linus Kessler didn't like it, everyone should yell at him...
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
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I am waiting for an opportunity to open the sole '96 Pergole Torte that I have. I still remember Luca's post from a long time ago, saying that it might be among the best.
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The '96 is a great wine. Linus Kessler didn't like it, everyone should yell at him...[/quote]
Linus sometimes finds himself in the minority.
 
originally posted by Cristian Dezso:
Anyone tried the 97 Pergole Torte? Opinions?
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Overpriced, like most things from Tuscany in 1997?

Sorry, I haven't had it. I do have a bottle of 1994 staring at me though. I am not expecting great things from it, unfortunately, based on a '94 Montevertine Riserva drank about a year ago.
 
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