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Peder Byberg

Peder Byberg
Its not that American wine is an unkown territory in Denmark but the choice seems to be polarized between plonk and the 95+ Parker point segment.
As none of the two categories neither appeals to my tastebuds - nor curiostity, my empirical experienced on the subject has been extremely limited. Now it has come my my knowledge that the wines of the Diogenes of Nappa the philosopher who choosed to live in a barrel, a.k.a Abe Schoener and his Scholium Project,recently found their way across the pond. As I always wanted to taste these wines I therefore in all humbleness dare to ask the most honorable members of this disorderly site if they can recommend any of the following wines. Please keep in mind that weirdness is appreciated:

2009 Naucratis
2009 Riquewihr
2006 Prince in his caves
2005 Babylon
2008 Androkteinos.

Kind regards

Peder Byberg
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Prince in his Caves is usually good.
The others are all over the lot.
Best, Jim
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Thanks Jim.

I've heard the criticism about the wines being disjointed . But the same goes for the wines of Frank Cornelissen which I have truly enjoyed..... Do you think The prince is past its peak? - as far as I know 2006 was the first vintage and I have not the slightest clue about its ability to age.

Best.

Peder.
 
I am not an expert, but perhaps Robert Dentice will look in.

I've had Naucratis that I enjoyed, but it seems to me it might have been an earlier vintage.

The search function may provide some opinions to consider.
 
I would suggest you try the 06 Prince in His Caves and the 09 Riquewhir. Give both a short decant (30 minutes) if you can. The 06 Prince is Skin Fermented Sauvignon Blanc from a very rocky Sonoma vineyard. Riquewhir is Gewurtz from Lodi.

The Babylon and Androkteinos are both HUGE wines but they are in no way spoofilated or dare I say unbalanced- simply what California produces from these vineyards.

The Naucratis is by far the least expensive but I find it goes through an odd closed period 1-2 years after bottling.
 
It's my understanding that the 2006 Prince In His Caves is a little different from subsequent vintages, but when I bought my two bottles I was told to sit on it until about 2014. Given Robert's recommendation above, I may pull a bottle out in the next few months.

When tasting wines such as these, I don't get all that worked up about "what they're supposed to taste like". A different winemaker would likely have made a much different wine from the same fruit, but that's part of the game. I like his approach to the wines

FWIW, this may provide a little more background on Scholium: http://tinyurl.com/75kdgfm

-Eden (wondering why I've got the Academy Awards on the TV even though I didn't see any the nominated movies this year)
 
originally posted by Peder Byberg:
Are you experienced.Its not that American wine is an unkown territory in Denmark but the choice seems to be polarized between plonk and the 95+ Parker point segment.
As none of the two categories neither appeals to my tastebuds - nor curiostity, my empirical experienced on the subject has been extremely limited. Now it has come my my knowledge that the wines of the Diogenes of Nappa the philosopher who choosed to live in a barrel, a.k.a Abe Schoener and his Scholium Project,recently found their way across the pond. As I always wanted to taste these wines I therefore in all humbleness dare to ask the most honorable members of this disorderly site if they can recommend any of the following wines. Please keep in mind that weirdness is appreciated:

2009 Naucratis
2009 Riquewihr
2006 Prince in his caves
2005 Babylon
2008 Androkteinos.

Kind regards

Peder Byberg
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I liked the Naucratis but it is truly an orange/oxidized wine
I echo Jim on the Prince in his caves.
I own some of the other but haven't tried them yet
 
originally posted by Peder Byberg:
Are you experienced.Its not that American wine is an unkown territory in Denmark but the choice seems to be polarized between plonk and the 95+ Parker point segment.
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Don't feel bad. It's almost the same in NYC, Boston or Washington DC. My dad (living in NYC) is always asking for good Californian wines $10-20. I'll rattle off a dozen names, and he can't find any of them.
 
I have tasted most of the Scholium wines noted above although not necessarily those vintages. I think Abe is intelligent, passionate and a man with a clear vision of the kind of wine he wants to make. I admire him very much. But for me, the wines are very big and have very high alcohol. They aren't to my taste much like Dettori isn't to my taste. One exception is, as Jim noted, the Prince. I do generally like that wine. I guess I also like sound bottles of the Dettori bianco but I run about 50-50 on good bottles vs. bad bottles with that wine. But I digress....
 
originally posted by Eden Mylunsch:
It's my understanding that the 2006 Prince In His Caves is a little different from subsequent vintages
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But not in a bad way. Although I don't have a great deal of experience with Abe's wines and can't make general recommendations, the 2006 PIHC was quite interesting and I would definitely recommend that particular wine. I agree with Eden, though: before taking your first sip, set aside any assumptions or expectations that you have developed.
 
originally posted by Robert Dentice:

I would suggest you try the 06 Prince in His Caves and the 09 Riquewhir. Give both a short decant (30 minutes) if you can. The 06 Prince is Skin Fermented Sauvignon Blanc from a very rocky Sonoma vineyard. Riquewhir is Gewurtz from Lodi.

The Babylon and Androkteinos are both HUGE wines but they are in no way spoofilated or dare I say unbalanced- simply what California produces from these vineyards.

The Naucratis is by far the least expensive but I find it goes through an odd closed period 1-2 years after bottling.
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I will follow your recommendations as well as your decanting instructions.

Tanks a lot.

Peder.
 
-" set aside any assumptions or expectations that you have developed."

Will do - assumptions or/ and expectations can ruin a lot of pleasure.

Best.

Peder
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
I am not an expert, but perhaps Robert Dentice will look in.

I've had Naucratis that I enjoyed, but it seems to me it might have been an earlier vintage.

The search function may provide some opinions to consider.
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I strolled through the search function: The Bacchanalian Illuminati does exist!
 
originally posted by Peder Byberg:

The Bacchanalian Illuminati
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That's as good a description for the denizens of this site as I've read in a while. Beats the pants off of "anti-flavor wine elite."

Mark Lipton
 
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