food choices with White Rhones?

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Stephen South
Preferences/Experiences of the Disorderlies with regard to memorable food choices with
1. White CndP: Specifically Beaucastel 2000 and 2011
2. White Rhones: older Chave white and Chapoutier Whites from the 90's

We have a variety of options but I would like input..
 
Stephen, The wines that you mention are so food friendly that it is hard to generalize and to imagine what might be preferred.

Perhaps give us some idea what you are considering and let us respond.

. . . . . . Pete
 
put wines on table. with cheese, nibbles, m&ms etc.

retreat.

then, open something else. what sort of eatings were you in the mood for?

fb.
 
I don't drink so much white Rhone, but I've had a couple of good food pairings lately with the wines of Comrade Brezeme.

The 2010 VV Roussette was quite spectacular with a lobster and drawn butter.

The 2003 monovarietal bourbolenc was amazing with a sauteed fish and tapenade.

Neither of these wines are on your list, but the first might substitute for something younger and higher in acid, the second for something riper and softer. Not that it was soft.

Or what fb said.
 
Recently had a 2001 Hermitage Blanc with chermoula (no tomato) marinated broiled halibut with a side of saffron rice with caramelized onions and pine nuts. Didn't suck.
 
I like white Rhones with foods with just slightly sweet, creamy flavors. One of my favorite matchings with white Hermitage is a sweet potato soup. I do not agree with Pete that they are universally food friendly. The floral quality really doesn't match well with a lot of foods. If you are drinking it as an aperitif, I would go with things like olives, tapenade and anchoide, which mahy be counterintuitive, but has the area's practices behind it.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg: I do not agree with Pete that they are universally food friendly.
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Jonathan, I was glad to look back and make sure that I didn't say they are "universally" food friendly.

I do believe that white Rhones go with many dishes that other wines cannot cope with; thus, I do classify them as "food friendly". As I thought about giving examples of favorable dishes, the choices were so varied that I didn't know where to start.

. . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
I don't drink so much white Rhone, but I've had a couple of good food pairings lately with the wines of Comrade Brezeme.

The 2010 VV Roussette was quite spectacular with a lobster and drawn butter.

The 2003 monovarietal bourbolenc was amazing with a sauteed fish and tapenade.
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Spectacular wines that seem to somehow have lost their way from the Loire River and ended up on the Rhone.
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg: I do not agree with Pete that they are universally food friendly.
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Jonathan, I was glad to look back and make sure that I didn't say they are "universally" food friendly.

I do believe that white Rhones go with many dishes that other wines cannot cope with; thus, I do classify them as "food friendly". As I thought about giving examples of favorable dishes, the choices were so varied that I didn't know where to start.

. . . . . Pete
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I apologize for overstating. Nevertheless, I think my claim that the floral quality does not go well with a lot of foods, while not absolutely in logical contradiction to calling the wine "food friendly," is so effectively. Of course, without some examples of matches you like, it's hard to be sure. I don't think the wines are great with meat and I don't favor them with poultry or fish unless perhaps the fish is sufficiently fatty and in something like a sorrel sauce. SF Joe's matches would work as well. And of course one could multiply like combinations. Still, it's a fairly narrow category when one thinks of all the fish dishes they would overwhelm.
 
originally posted by JasonA:

Spectacular wines that seem to somehow have lost their way from the Loire River and ended up on the Rhone.
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I knew there was a reason I liked them!
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I like white Rhones with foods with just slightly sweet, creamy flavors. One of my favorite matchings with white Hermitage is a sweet potato soup. I do not agree with Pete that they are universally food friendly. The floral quality really doesn't match well with a lot of foods. If you are drinking it as an aperitif, I would go with things like olives, tapenade and anchoide, which mahy be counterintuitive, but has the area's practices behind it.
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Is Remizieres white Hermitage any good? I bought a few '99s in my starry-eyed youth, and the one I opened last year was rather meh. Can't decide whether to wait two more years or bite the bullet and drink the other two now with mundane meals.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I like white Rhones with foods with just slightly sweet, creamy flavors. One of my favorite matchings with white Hermitage is a sweet potato soup. I do not agree with Pete that they are universally food friendly. The floral quality really doesn't match well with a lot of foods. If you are drinking it as an aperitif, I would go with things like olives, tapenade and anchoide, which mahy be counterintuitive, but has the area's practices behind it.
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Is Remizieres white Hermitage any good? I bought a few '99s in my starry-eyed youth, and the one I opened last year was rather meh. Can't decide whether to wait two more years or bite the bullet and drink the other two now with mundane meals.
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I'm not a regular consumer of white Hermitage and I know nothing about Remizieres. Claude probably will. I've had a bunch of Chapoutier Chante Alouette which I've found for decent prices at times and which I've found (at least as late as 2000) to be less over the top than their reds--which I also don't have recent experience with. As a generalization, if the wine tastes meh, try to hold it suntil it's nearer 20 years old. But, again, I have no experience with Remizieres. The only wine I ever had of theirs was a Crozes many years ago. I wasn't blown away by it.
 
I drank white Chateauneuf (La Nerthe) with Soup de Poissons, and it was marvelous. I drank a '78 Chave white once, and didn't even want anything else...
 
Having waited this long, I'll probably hold off. Discipline can be tough, though, when you're scraping around trying to find something that's in a decent place to drink. Wine, wine, everywhere, nor any drop to drink (with apologies to Coleridge).
 
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