TN: 2006 Burgundy arrivage tasting

David B,
You are a wine lover as well as a music lover. Do you enjoy a glass with your breakfast or while driving a car(not that I would object if you did!)?
No criticism intended, just though it would be fun to respond to this subject.

No I do not drink wine at breakfast (with a few minor historical exceptions, including brunch). In the AM I enjoy my coffee. In the car I would be afraid of spilling some. But I also do not wear my iPod at the dinner table.
 
originally posted by Tom Blach:
I think what I am saying is that listening to classical music should not be too passive an experience if the rewards that it's capable of delivering are to be realised. I'm disturbed by the noise culture in which we live and would like listening to music to be a choice rather than a default.

Aha! Now I understand your perspective, and it is one that I agree with in large part. However, there is a parallel I can draw to wine here: not all music deserves undivided attention, just as not all wine deserves our undivided focus at meals. In both cases (IMO) there is a place both in the foreground and background of our consciousness. I do agree, though, that we have entered an era where people seem to be uncomfortable with silence. When I work, I often have the radio turned to NPR to hear the news, but at times I will have very familiar music playing, too. It's not a good way to appreciate the music, but it is comforting to me all the same.

Mark Lipton
 
Cannot a studio recording be a performance? Is that the "spoofulation" of music? I am wondering about this because, horror of horrors I am listening to a Tallis Scholars' performance of Cristbal de Morales's Missa Si bona suscepimus as I write this. It is a recording that I listen to regularly with full attention, but which I also like to play when I concentrate on something else. I fail to see why having music as the background is a bad thing if one also regularly gives that music the foreground as well. But I will admit to being a musicholic: I listen to music all the time. I am worse than an alcoholic: when I don't get music, I listen to it with my mind only.

Reading music? I can do that, but I would still rather listen to a studio recording of Emmanuel Pahud than anything supremely mediocre that I can do on my flute (but I still love playing it: I want to have all options available to me). I still fail to see what is so bad about owning a huge record collection and listening to music all the time - except it is a bit antisocial I guess, but being social isn't one of my strong points anyway.

-O
 
I didn't say it was bad, Otto-merely that one shouldn't think that recordings and music are one and the same thing, which I'm absolutely sure that you don't.
 
Some musicians -- David (B.), Larry, and Bill (B.), at least, will know who I'm talking about -- insist that a performance is a conversation, while a recording of a performance is like reading a one-sentence excerpt from only one side of that conversation. I'm not sure I can fully embrace that extreme of an interpretation, but I'm sympathetic to the viewpoint to the extent that a live performance and a recording of a live performance are absolutely not the same experiences, for either the audience or the performer. I think non-live recordings can inhabit a different realm, and I'm not sure I see anything fundamentally less musical about the layering and editing possibilities provided by the form. That said, my personal preference, both as a listener and as a (now hobbyist) musician, rests with the passion and uncertainty of performance. To me it's more exciting, and more emotional, and more personal (even when it's done with a group, and especially when it's done with an audience).

I can read scores, and at one brief time of my life was able to conduct from them, but I'm similarly unsure I can embrace the assertion that one must be able to read them to understand the music produced from them. That seems to be a way to understand composition, but without the interpretation there's not much to listen to. I suppose it also helps that my preferred musical genres generally operate not only without scores, but in fact at the other end of the interpretative spectrum. I do think that following the score at a live performance (physically or, I suppose, from memory) fundamentally distorts the performance for the score-follower, and that includes the conductor.

But to address your initial post, Tom, I don't think that the forces that could render performed music obsolete or unknown are related to the recording of it, or to people who's entire understanding of music is via its recording. On the latter point, at least, most of those people are listening to music that has to exist as a recording because of its essentially synthetic nature (and that will be true even when it is "performed" "live"), so the format in which they receive it makes very little difference. That said, I don't know any better than anyone else where the money to support performing artists' performances (of any genre, though obviously the non-popular are most at risk) is going to come from once we've finished demolishing the old structures, and that's true whether the artist in question is Leon Fleisher or some young kid in his bedroom who wants to be Jimmy Page.
 
originally posted by Thor:
That said, I don't know any better than anyone else where the money to support performing artists' performances (of any genre, though obviously the non-popular are most at risk) is going to come from once we've finished demolishing the old structures, and that's true whether the artist in question is Leon Fleisher or some young kid in his bedroom who wants to be Jimmy Page.

So true, and a deeply disturbing thought. Welcome back from Africa, by the way!

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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J'ai gch vingt ans de mes plus belles annes au billard. Si c'tait refaire, je recommencerais. Roger Conti
 
originally posted by Thor:
This hemisphere is awfully cold.

Snowing there, too?

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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J'ai gch vingt ans de mes plus belles annes au billard. Si c'tait refaire, je recommencerais. Roger Conti
 
Lars,
Chevillon is one producer whose 06s I have not been able to retaste in bottle. But they were brilliant from barrel last year, and rather seamless relative to many other wines in the vintage, so it's not a big surprise they'd still show well at this stage; perhaps they will always show well.
 
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