Robert Dentice
Robert Dentice
Any disorderly suggestions for Berlin?
Berlin
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georg lauer
georg lauer
Could you specify a bit more please? Is it just about wine? Or equally/more about the food?
What exactly are you looking for other than it be less than 80 points and not hedonistic?
Robert Dentice
Robert Dentice
Winebars and winestores would be helpful.
I think I have my restaurants picked but feel free to suggest good ones.
Anything art related would also be welcome.
georg lauer
georg lauer
For an amazing German (+others) wine list at great prices (and so-so chinese food) there is http://www.restaurant-hotspot.de
Weinbar Rutz sells you every bottle from their huge retail inventory for a 18 Euro markup and the atmosphere is very lively... http://www.rutz-weinbar.de
stores:
http://www.weinundglas-berlin.com huge selection, many of the top German wineries and also other countries
for "natural" wine http://www.viniculture.de
for french wines http://www.weine-visentin.de
"anything art related" is a lot in Berlin, tons of galleries and of course very nice museums. specific interests?
(and for restaurants, I really like Tim Raue with his unique asian inspired food, and the lunch is affordable)
Weinbar Rutz sells you every bottle from their huge retail inventory for a 18 Euro markup and the atmosphere is very lively... http://www.rutz-weinbar.de
stores:
http://www.weinundglas-berlin.com huge selection, many of the top German wineries and also other countries
for "natural" wine http://www.viniculture.de
for french wines http://www.weine-visentin.de
"anything art related" is a lot in Berlin, tons of galleries and of course very nice museums. specific interests?
(and for restaurants, I really like Tim Raue with his unique asian inspired food, and the lunch is affordable)
Robert Dentice
Robert Dentice
Georg - Thanks very much.
The links to the stores are very helpful.
I see Spätburgunder is equally overpriced in Berlin.
The links to the stores are very helpful.
I see Spätburgunder is equally overpriced in Berlin.
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Robert,
I think the Holger Koch Pinot Noirs at http://www.viniculture.de are worth the tariff.
cheers
I think the Holger Koch Pinot Noirs at http://www.viniculture.de are worth the tariff.
cheers
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
BTW - if you're anywhere near Bavaria during your trip Walter & Benjamin has the 1964 Byass Oloroso in stock.
Also Weincontor in Hamburg but they're $70 more expensive.
Also Weincontor in Hamburg but they're $70 more expensive.
georg lauer
georg lauer
The key to buying Spaetburgunder is to avoid the top of the line. They are too expensive and often accordingly ambitious, which rarely ends well. Between 10 and 20 Euros you can find some quite fun and very drinkable wines.
Josh Fontaine
Josh Fontaine
Rutz - winebar
Bonanza - coffee
The Barn - coffee
Buck & Breck - cocktails
Immertreu - cocktails
Hotel Amano - cocktails
Bonanza - coffee
The Barn - coffee
Buck & Breck - cocktails
Immertreu - cocktails
Hotel Amano - cocktails
John Ritchie
John Ritchie
Beliner Weisse mit Spätburgunder?
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Mit Hefespätburgunder
Robert Dentice
Robert Dentice
Thanks for the recommendations. I thought I would document for future travelers.
I ended up going to Weinbar Rutz (excellent German list with many things that are not available in the U.S.) - I drank a 2010 Kuhling-Gillot Rothenberg Wurzelecht GG that was fantastic. I just looked them up and realized they are imported by Domaine Select.
I ate at Katz Orange (food is not great - they are trying too hard), Horvatz (stunning Austrian meal that blew us way) and Paris Bar (fun simple lunch).
I went to Viniculture and as a NYer and frequent visitor to Paris was not impressed with their selection; although, I did buy some Occhipinti Olive Oil.
I visited Martin Zwick and tasted the 2012 estate, Von der Fels and Scheurebe from Keller and if it is any indication 2012 is going to be a great vintage. Breaks my heart that the Scheurebe is 10 euros at the estate.
Some wine observations (based on only three days so take with a grain of salt)
i) natural wines - not really that available and not much talk about them
ii) I did not see many of the top producers we see regularly in the U.S. (Donnhoff, Keller etc)
iii) I saw much more Austrian wine than I would have thought
iv) Lots of industrial Spanish wine
v) Just did not feel the wine culture is thriving like it is in NYC, Paris, SF etc.
Lastly Berlin is all about the Art scene! It is everywhere and the energy is palpable from the large museums to the small galleries. The Anish Kapoor show and the Boros Collection were two highlights.
I ended up going to Weinbar Rutz (excellent German list with many things that are not available in the U.S.) - I drank a 2010 Kuhling-Gillot Rothenberg Wurzelecht GG that was fantastic. I just looked them up and realized they are imported by Domaine Select.
I ate at Katz Orange (food is not great - they are trying too hard), Horvatz (stunning Austrian meal that blew us way) and Paris Bar (fun simple lunch).
I went to Viniculture and as a NYer and frequent visitor to Paris was not impressed with their selection; although, I did buy some Occhipinti Olive Oil.
I visited Martin Zwick and tasted the 2012 estate, Von der Fels and Scheurebe from Keller and if it is any indication 2012 is going to be a great vintage. Breaks my heart that the Scheurebe is 10 euros at the estate.
Some wine observations (based on only three days so take with a grain of salt)
i) natural wines - not really that available and not much talk about them
ii) I did not see many of the top producers we see regularly in the U.S. (Donnhoff, Keller etc)
iii) I saw much more Austrian wine than I would have thought
iv) Lots of industrial Spanish wine
v) Just did not feel the wine culture is thriving like it is in NYC, Paris, SF etc.
Lastly Berlin is all about the Art scene! It is everywhere and the energy is palpable from the large museums to the small galleries. The Anish Kapoor show and the Boros Collection were two highlights.
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these showed very well at the winery
KP's take on '12 explains the greatness - just stand there, arms folded, and wait for perfect grapes for as long as you feel necessary