CFD: What is a foodie?

Brad Kane

Brad Kane
So, a discussion in Coad's epic got me thinking about what defines a foodie as it seems there is some murkiness to the issue and divergent opinions. Rather than have the debate there, I thought the topic merited a new thread.

In my mind and in talking to a handful of friends I personally consider foodies, a foodie is a gourmand to an extreme. That is, a foodie not only cares about how food tastes, but has a keen and passionate interest in all aspects about food, including but not limited to the history/cultural significance of the ingredients/dish, the sourcing of ingredients, the preparation, the smells, the looks and the tastes. While a foodie certainly enjoys dining out and all that that offers, they are especially passionate about home cooking and sharing in the efforts of their foodie pursuits.

Being a foodie is not just a choice, but in many instances is a reflex. The intellectual pursuit of food knowledge is certainly by choice, choosing specific ingredients is a choice, but the way one reacts to a dish/ingredient, a picture of food, the smells, all of which may in fact lead to decisions of choice, is reflex, not choice.

A jaded and abrasive friend of mine says this about those that call themselves foodies "foodies - the highest form of pseudo-intellectualism of the 21st century, so far" and that foodies spend much of their time eating out at silly molecular gastronomic hash houses, talk all day long about restaurant experiences. For them, its the end product on the plate and not the ingredients thats paramount and their food nights are never in. That calling yourself a foodie is another way to pose, posture, strut and talk down to unfortunates that haven't been able to try X highly rated restaurant and their aerosoled oregano." That they look down on others that can't, or are unwilling to eat as adventurously as they have or do.

In my mind, the later definition, while also describing people I know, indeed some of whom I call my friends, is more of a food snob and more along the gourmand side of things.

Is there overlap between the two? I think so. Does either definition leave anything out? What do you think?
 
originally posted by Brad Kane: a foodie is a gourmand to an extreme...is more of a food snob and more along the gourmand side of things.

Nice thread topic but I don't really see what 'gourmand' has to do with it. They usually aren't 'foodies' of any kind that you mentioned and are more concerned with quantity.
 
originally posted by slaton:
s/gourmand/gourmet/g

Now I'm even more confused!

But, to get back to Brad's original question, I think both of the types he described can be called foodies. They are subsets.

Perhaps we could determine more. Like the NYTimes article today with 17 subsets of cocktail geeks.
 
-A foodie celebrates food in all forms. There is no comestible that a foodie is not interested in. Period.
-A foodie wants to taste what everybodys ancestors tasted just as it tasted to them.
-Even though its a gruesome proposition, a foodie will make his own head cheese, for example, because he understands there can be no connections without getting grease and liquefied brains on his fingers.
-A foodie can easily make the distinction between normal and industrially processed foods and choose what he will eat without making non-foodies feel like assholes. If gentle education doesnt work, let it alone.
-A foodie never wholly subscribes to the food politics of the day. Meeting, talking to and buying meat and produce directly from the small farmer generally trumps labels.

Restaurant dining can be both utter bliss and frustration for a foodie with hyper senses and a firm grasp of reality.
 
IMO, gourmands are those that can say they like food, and shake their head at things like pork belly, and ask crazy questions like, "How can you eat that?" A gourmand is someone that might say something like, "this is the second best lobster I've ever had." Gourmands do not cook, nor do they wash dishes. Gourmands can't be counted on to do the simple task of finding the garbage can, if asked to take the trash out. Gourmands are the pseudo-intellectuals.

Brad, I like your sentiment that a foodie is a foodie by reflex. A gourmand, when attempting to cook, if faced with the terrible fate of not being able to find an ingredient in a store, would find a substitute or leave the ingredient out of their dish. A foodie would finish shopping, and instinctively drive to another store, and possibly several more until the ingredient is found.

This is not to say that foodies are OCD. Foodies will read a recipe through, and make changes where they feel makes sense. A little more garlic here, a decision to use butter instead of oil, and he will decide to cook the lamb on a lower temperature, to cook it slower.

Foodies can tell if ingredients are fresh. A foodie will never ask someone else, "does this look fresh(good) to you?" A foodie decides instinctively and moves on.

Foodies are curious about new ideas and trying new things.

Foodies are cooks. Foodies enjoying eating out, but get just as much enjoyment cooking in.

If forced to eat fast food (say, when on the road,) foodies will feel ill afterwards.

Foodies know expectations. They are not complainers of a meal cooked incorrectly, or a mistake made to a menu item. A foodie will log it in their mental rolodex, and choose not to eat at the restaurant again, or not to order the dish again. Foodies realize when they have made a choice to eat out somewhere, and they could have chosen not to eat there. At a bad meal out, a foodie may be mad at himself for choosing to dine there.

Foodies consider wine a food group.
 
A foodie is someone who doesn't try to rewrite eGullet's mission statement into something even more pretentious in a lame attempt to elevate themselves above some self-identified proletariat. They'd rather be making pizza dough, and then eating it.

Lawton's defintely a foodie. OK, sure, he's never posted bnh m beaver shots, but I think that makes him not a food photographer.

A foodie is someone who, having read Brad's essay, decides to uninvite Brad to dinner, because he doesn't sound like much fun.
 
originally posted by Bill Averett:
Gourmands are do-nothing snobs
If forced to eat fast food (say, when on the road,) foodies will feel ill afterwards.

I don't know if I'd go that far. I think a foodie can appreciate just about anything. I know I've never had a problem with McDonald's fries and I certainly crave Whoppers every once in a while, as well as fried chicken. In fact, Bourdain on that show where he sits around the table and chats with foodie and chef types, mentioned Popeye's makes the best fried chicken. Plus, I know a bunch of folks I'd call foodies that rave about In-Out Burger.

In my mind, foodies are an inclusive bunch.
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Bill Averett:
Gourmands are do-nothing snobs
If forced to eat fast food (say, when on the road,) foodies will feel ill afterwards.

I don't know if I'd go that far. I think a foodie can appreciate just about anything. I know I've never had a problem with McDonald's fries and I certainly crave Whoppers every once in a while, as well as fried chicken. In fact, Bourdain on that show where he sits around the table and chats with foodie and chef types, mentioned Popeye's makes the best fried chicken. Plus, I know a bunch of folks I'd call foodies that rave about In-Out Burger.

In my mind, foodies are an inclusive bunch.

No, seriously, even Anthony Bourdain will draw the line at something that is NOT food. Fried chicken- love it. Personally, not the biggest fan of Popeye's. Anyway, there is a lot of non-food on your whopper(I'm awaiting for them to announce, "Now made with real beef" kinda of like McDonald's ad for chicken nuggets), and I don't think I have ever seen a fryer changed at McDonald's, but I do love their fries. Salty and delicious. But there is something about their chemically induced fryer oil (that somehow stays clean all day long), that causes my stomach to rumble. If you don't notice it, you are too far gone...
 
I don't think that foodies would lower themselves to try to define what a foodie is. It is a state of being. I don't think it is out of pretentiousness (only lack of self awareness) when foodies debate whether canned huitlacoche is comparable to fresh huitlacoche. Of course, only a true foodie would look forward to the freshest corn smut they could find, as opposed to simply regarding it as a fungal disease.

The class of characters I think you are all missing, in addition to the gourmand (who doesn't seem to have many friends here) and the ambigously defined foodie, is the epicure. I would think of the epicure as dedicated to the delights of eating (or drinking for that matter), but in a more refined fashion than the slovenly gourmand and the know-it-all foodie. Epicurus got a bad rap from the stoics. It may be time to rehabilitate his image.
 
yes. I think they mean "gourmet", but for some reason some people tend to substitute "gourmand" because they think it sounds better. Or it's just another silly affectation that is required to be a member of the club.
 
Ahhh okay, I get it. Kinda like along the lines of saying 'varietal' when you mean 'variety' makes you sound like, you know, a savvy talker-person?
 
originally posted by Ben Sherwin:
I don't think that foodies would lower themselves to try to define what a foodie is. It is a state of being. I don't think it is out of pretentiousness (only lack of self awareness) when foodies debate whether canned huitlacoche is comparable to fresh huitlacoche. Of course, only a true foodie would look forward to the freshest corn smut they could find, as opposed to simply regarding it as a fungal disease.

The class of characters I think you are all missing, in addition to the gourmand (who doesn't seem to have many friends here) and the ambigously defined foodie, is the epicure. I would think of the epicure as dedicated to the delights of eating (or drinking for that matter), but in a more refined fashion than the slovenly gourmand and the know-it-all foodie. Epicurus got a bad rap from the stoics. It may be time to rehabilitate his image.

Well, I know how you classify yourself. While you type, do you keep your pinkies out to the side?

Foodie IS a state of being. If you READ what I wrote rather than simply gloss it over, you would see that was the point. I didn't try to define it. It is undefinable, and in a way zen-like. My "defining" was more akin to knowing it when you see it, sort of thing.

I think epicures are just metro-sexual gourmands. I have a synonym for your "definition" of epicure- oral hedonist.
 
originally posted by Chris Coad:
Ahhh okay, I get it. Kinda like along the lines of saying 'varietal' when you mean 'variety' makes you sound like, you know, a savvy talker-person?

ref. Jesse Jackson
 
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