2004 Grivot Charmois - So Dark!

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2004 Jean Grivot Nuits St. Georges 'Les Charmois'
This is one dark wine. For Burgundy. Or more accurately, for my (limited) understanding of 2004 Burgundy. Sweet and soupy with some slight hints towards structure and firm plumpness but for the most part it is an unformed mess. Is that something that will get better with time? How did they make this wine so dark?
 
tried 1999 clos vougeot, just over a year ago, from magnum

note suspiciously similar to yours; granted, '99 may naturally take one in that direction

the stuff is highly regarded by some friends who know a thing or two, but for the moment I plan to take advantage of their generosity to see how the wines turn out
 
I bought quite a few bottles of 2000 and 2001 of various Grivot wines when a place I used to shop was closing them out at very low prices. So far the wines still scare me.
 
He makes wines for the long term. I suspect that if he read the comments above, he'd say, "What do you expect? I don't make my wines to be drunk so young." (That said, the 1998 Echzeaux has been one nice bottle for the last several years, but that is due to the precociousness of 1998.)
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
He makes wines for the long term.
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Fair enough. I guess you just have to accept that wines during inbetween stages will be impossible to evaluate.

That said, rightly or wrongly, I'll be holding off on spending my own money in the near future until I get some better experiences.
 
Those I have tasted were nowhere near as being described as dark, sweet and soupy. That said I have not tasted the "Les Charmois". The two '04's I have tasted (Vosne-Romanee, Vosne-Romanee "Les Rouges") was not that impressive, but more on the green side and light in colour.

I was at a tasting with Etienne Grivot some time ago and I have to say I generelly liked the wines. The first thing that struck me however was that these were wines that must show extremely poor in large tastings as young wines. They are silent speaking wines, but with a very true terroirness and a structure to age.

I was positively surprised by his '06 by the way. Especially from 1er cru and upwards. If you can find his NSG Les pruliers it is very fine wine for the price.
 
originally posted by Arnt Egil Nordlien:
Those I have tasted were nowhere near as being described as dark, sweet and soupy. That said I have not tasted the "Les Charmois". The two '04's I have tasted (Vosne-Romanee, Vosne-Romanee "Les Rouges") was not that impressive, but more on the green side and light in colour.
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Charmois is a village lieu-dit and one of the least wines that Grivot makes and not terribly representative of the rest of his line. In fact, one can argue that in many vintages, it is his least wine, notwithstanding the Bourgogne (which often can be outstanding for what it is).

I have a soft spot for Les Rouges, even though I recognize that it is one of the least grands crus in Vosne. It is high on the mountain with a cold climate and thin soil. I think if one looks at the wine with that in mind and not with the expectation of a Suchots or Malconsorts, it can make a very pleasing wine, especially in warmer vintages.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Charmois is a village lieu-dit and one of the least wines that Grivot makes...and not terribly representative of the rest of his line..
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Ok, point well taken.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
He makes wines for the long term. I suspect that if he read the comments above, he'd say, "What do you expect? I don't make my wines to be drunk so young." (That said, the 1998 Echzeaux has been one nice bottle for the last several years, but that is due to the precociousness of 1998.)
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Grivot is one of those producers that when I read about intent and practices, I think "Oh, I'd like that," then when I taste the wines I am sceptical that the wines will age as well as I'd like for the long-term and also often seem a little unappealing in the short-term. But my experience is limited to recent vintages (post-1998), and so I am holding several bottles to see what happens. I'm hoping they turn out well.
 
originally posted by Bwood:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
He makes wines for the long term. I suspect that if he read the comments above, he'd say, "What do you expect? I don't make my wines to be drunk so young." (That said, the 1998 Echzeaux has been one nice bottle for the last several years, but that is due to the precociousness of 1998.)
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Grivot is one of those producers that when I read about intent and practices, I think "Oh, I'd like that," then when I taste the wines I am sceptical that the wines will age as well as I'd like for the long-term and also often seem a little unappealing in the short-term. But my experience is limited to recent vintages (post-1998), and so I am holding several bottles to see what happens. I'm hoping they turn out well.
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John -- Since you say that you have "quite a few bottles" of 2000, it might not be rash to open one now and see what you think -- except possibly for his Clos-Vougeot or Richebourg.

As for 2001, I recently had Grivot's 2001 Vosne-Reignots, and while it was drinkable and to a certain extent could be appreciated, it is several to many years too young.
 
on the other hand the 01 boudots is quite attractive - ok, it too will benefit from aging but if you want to try a youngish grivot that you can enjoy (with air, tho), 01 boudot's your baby.
 
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