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originally posted by Todd Abrams:
I dont understand this statement. Film is simply visual narrative.
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Can't agree at all.

There are scripts, even if they're dragged through the mud, most times.

Think, though, of well-written scripts. Faulker, Cocteau, etc.
 
Does not LAvventura tell a story? Certainly the structure is non-standard, and obviously not to your taste, but it is still narrative, isnt it?
 
I think the VLM is talking more about Warhol and Chris Marker and non-narrative film making. The kind of thing Godard was talking a lot about at one point.

And I take him to be saying that he wants a narrative of War and Peace dimensions, and that that is difficult to fit within a 90 or 120 minute frame. Thus arc narrative TV shows provide him with that kind of long running narrative.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I think the VLM is talking more about Warhol and Chris Marker and non-narrative film making. The kind of thing Godard was talking a lot about at one point.

And I take him to be saying that he wants a narrative of War and Peace dimensions, and that that is difficult to fit within a 90 or 120 minute frame. Thus arc narrative TV shows provide him with that kind of long running narrative.
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It doesn't have to be War and Peace, but Levi has my general drift. That being said, I think "visual narrative" is a bit of a squishy concept.
 
If "narrative" refers to an account of a set of events thematically connected so that they construct a plot, then I don't see why films aren't narratives. Since the concept doesn't reallly include length in its definition, then the relative compactness of films wouldn't disqualify them.

If, according to a generic definition, however, narrative is differentiated from drama by the presence of a speaker (even if the speaker is the "author") from whose perspective we are given the account and whose perspective plays a role in the emplotment, then to the extent that drama doesn't qualify, neither would film (despite some experiments with first-person camera, so to speak).
 
Cinema-philes: Is there any consensus that I have been scarred for life because the only Herzog movie I have ever seen is "Heart of Glass" ?
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Cinema-philes: Is there any consensus that I have been scarred for life because the only Herzog movie I have ever seen is "Heart of Glass" ?
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Not one I would recommend as an introduction to Herzog. Stroszek, maybe -- reportedly the film Ian Curtis watched before he committed suicide.
 
originally posted by Todd Abrams:
Stroszek, maybe -- reportedly the film Ian Curtis watched before he committed suicide.
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Well, that's quite the ringing endorsement!

-Eden (the only one I've seen is "Burden of Dreams", and it's not really his picture)
 
Godard's Made in the USA is showing for two weeks at the Film Forum, starting Jan 9th. Other city stops are probably planned.
 
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