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Impressions December 2020, Part II
- Thread starter VLM
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originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by Brian C:
Chianti finds its way into my rotation with similar frequency it would seem as yours, and le Boncie is in the top tier for me. There was a significant price jump with the latest release but both Le Trame and the Cinque are annual buys for me regardless of vintage.originally posted by VLM:
2016 Podere le Boncie (Giovanna Morganti) Le Trame Toscana IGT - Italy, Tuscany, Toscana IGT (12/17/2020)
An interesting counterpoint to many of the other 2016 Tuscan wines we've been drinking in that it has a real lightness and more of a crunchy red fruit profile. A lean savory quality cuts through the middle and the finish is bright and bouncy. I liked it more than Steph. Plenty going on now, but should become more complex with a couple of years. Really easy to drink. This doesn't get to my market but I'll look to pick up some more if it crosses my path. (92 points)
I loved the 2016 Le Trame; I don't find it that light but, yes, there is a lot going on. I won't be opening more for at least a year. However, the 2018 Cinque is gorgeous right now - and better than most DOCG Chianti.
I guess light in comparison to other Chiantis in our rotation: Monteraponi and Caparsa (and Istine, but those are new to me). It wouldn't be light compared to any Poulsard, it's still Sangiovese. I would say that it is medium bodied and the lightness comes from the crunchiness of the red fruit and lean, bright profile.
That sounds about right. We are also drinking the 2017 Istine CC, which seems ready to go right now compared to 2016 Le Trame, the latter having more structure and complexity.
Agreed with that comparison. There is definitely some tension in the 2016 Le Trame to resolve but I don't find it large-scaled. I was ho hum on that Istine CC 2017 but liked the 2016 Cavarchione a lot more. The 2018 Istine CC just landed locally, so I'll try to check it out soon.
Got it. We do have the 2017 Cavarchione here, but the reg is around $30, while the Chavarchione is closer to $50 (plus it has a bit more alcohol). I have not tried "Le Vigne Riserva","Vigna Istine", nor "Vigna Casanove dell'Aia." But I will look for them.
I'm not sure the value that the Istine wines represent as a whole but they are worth trying, the project as a whole is interesting. I've only had the CC, Vigna Cavarchione and the Vigna Istine and of those I *think* you'd like the Vigna Istine best.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by Brian C:
Chianti finds its way into my rotation with similar frequency it would seem as yours, and le Boncie is in the top tier for me. There was a significant price jump with the latest release but both Le Trame and the Cinque are annual buys for me regardless of vintage.originally posted by VLM:
2016 Podere le Boncie (Giovanna Morganti) Le Trame Toscana IGT - Italy, Tuscany, Toscana IGT (12/17/2020)
An interesting counterpoint to many of the other 2016 Tuscan wines we've been drinking in that it has a real lightness and more of a crunchy red fruit profile. A lean savory quality cuts through the middle and the finish is bright and bouncy. I liked it more than Steph. Plenty going on now, but should become more complex with a couple of years. Really easy to drink. This doesn't get to my market but I'll look to pick up some more if it crosses my path. (92 points)
I loved the 2016 Le Trame; I don't find it that light but, yes, there is a lot going on. I won't be opening more for at least a year. However, the 2018 Cinque is gorgeous right now - and better than most DOCG Chianti.
I guess light in comparison to other Chiantis in our rotation: Monteraponi and Caparsa (and Istine, but those are new to me). It wouldn't be light compared to any Poulsard, it's still Sangiovese. I would say that it is medium bodied and the lightness comes from the crunchiness of the red fruit and lean, bright profile.
That sounds about right. We are also drinking the 2017 Istine CC, which seems ready to go right now compared to 2016 Le Trame, the latter having more structure and complexity.
Agreed with that comparison. There is definitely some tension in the 2016 Le Trame to resolve but I don't find it large-scaled. I was ho hum on that Istine CC 2017 but liked the 2016 Cavarchione a lot more. The 2018 Istine CC just landed locally, so I'll try to check it out soon.
Got it. We do have the 2017 Cavarchione here, but the reg is around $30, while the Chavarchione is closer to $50 (plus it has a bit more alcohol). I have not tried "Le Vigne Riserva","Vigna Istine", nor "Vigna Casanove dell'Aia." But I will look for them.
I'm not sure the value that the Istine wines represent as a whole but they are worth trying, the project as a whole is interesting. I've only had the CC, Vigna Cavarchione and the Vigna Istine and of those I *think* you'd like the Vigna Istine best.
I concur on Istine -- good and interesting, but $45 Chianti should deliver. Monteraponi is even more pricy in California.
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Brad told me an hour ago that Francois Pinon passed away today or yesterday. I don’t have any further news. Very sad. This is terrible news. If I hear more, I will pass it along.
Coming back to this, the Louis/Dressner website has a piece up now and some posts have flown around social media. We paid tribute on our Zoom tasting last night. I encourage folks to read Coad’s piece at The Compleat Winegeek from 2002, of which Lisa reminded us, as a tribute to Pinon’s spirit and generosity.
Tristan Welles
Tristan Welles
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Brad told me an hour ago that Francois Pinon passed away today or yesterday. I don’t have any further news. Very sad. This is terrible news. If I hear more, I will pass it along.
Coming back to this, the Louis/Dressner website has a piece up now and some posts have flown around social media. We paid tribute on our Zoom tasting last night. I encourage folks to read Coad’s piece at The Compleat Winegeek from 2002, of which Lisa reminded us, as a tribute to Pinon’s spirit and generosity.
is this the Traction Avant piece?
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
originally posted by Tristan Welles:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Brad told me an hour ago that Francois Pinon passed away today or yesterday. I don’t have any further news. Very sad. This is terrible news. If I hear more, I will pass it along.
Coming back to this, the Louis/Dressner website has a piece up now and some posts have flown around social media. We paid tribute on our Zoom tasting last night. I encourage folks to read Coad’s piece at The Compleat Winegeek from 2002, of which Lisa reminded us, as a tribute to Pinon’s spirit and generosity.
is this the Traction Avant piece?
Yes
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
Mike Evans
Mike Evans
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
The 2016 Collier Saumur Blanc is so ethereal and light and playful for a wine that sees so much wood. Limestone/Tuffeaux Chenin. Love it.
This also further confirms my view that 2016 was a vintage of strong potential for Sec and Demisec Loire Chenin.
This also further confirms my view that 2016 was a vintage of strong potential for Sec and Demisec Loire Chenin.
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by Brian C:
Chianti finds its way into my rotation with similar frequency it would seem as yours, and le Boncie is in the top tier for me. There was a significant price jump with the latest release but both Le Trame and the Cinque are annual buys for me regardless of vintage.originally posted by VLM:
2016 Podere le Boncie (Giovanna Morganti) Le Trame Toscana IGT - Italy, Tuscany, Toscana IGT (12/17/2020)
An interesting counterpoint to many of the other 2016 Tuscan wines we've been drinking in that it has a real lightness and more of a crunchy red fruit profile. A lean savory quality cuts through the middle and the finish is bright and bouncy. I liked it more than Steph. Plenty going on now, but should become more complex with a couple of years. Really easy to drink. This doesn't get to my market but I'll look to pick up some more if it crosses my path. (92 points)
I loved the 2016 Le Trame; I don't find it that light but, yes, there is a lot going on. I won't be opening more for at least a year. However, the 2018 Cinque is gorgeous right now - and better than most DOCG Chianti.
I guess light in comparison to other Chiantis in our rotation: Monteraponi and Caparsa (and Istine, but those are new to me). It wouldn't be light compared to any Poulsard, it's still Sangiovese. I would say that it is medium bodied and the lightness comes from the crunchiness of the red fruit and lean, bright profile.
That sounds about right. We are also drinking the 2017 Istine CC, which seems ready to go right now compared to 2016 Le Trame, the latter having more structure and complexity.
Agreed with that comparison. There is definitely some tension in the 2016 Le Trame to resolve but I don't find it large-scaled. I was ho hum on that Istine CC 2017 but liked the 2016 Cavarchione a lot more. The 2018 Istine CC just landed locally, so I'll try to check it out soon.
Got it. We do have the 2017 Cavarchione here, but the reg is around $30, while the Chavarchione is closer to $50 (plus it has a bit more alcohol). I have not tried "Le Vigne Riserva","Vigna Istine", nor "Vigna Casanove dell'Aia." But I will look for them.
I'm not sure the value that the Istine wines represent as a whole but they are worth trying, the project as a whole is interesting. I've only had the CC, Vigna Cavarchione and the Vigna Istine and of those I *think* you'd like the Vigna Istine best.
Just opened the Istine Vigna Istine 2017. You are correct I do like it best of all the ones I have tried. Lovely wine. Very aromatic.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Heck of a quote chain there, it's almost hypnotic.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Brian C:
Chianti finds its way into my rotation with similar frequency it would seem as yours, and le Boncie is in the top tier for me. There was a significant price jump with the latest release but both Le Trame and the Cinque are annual buys for me regardless of vintage.originally posted by VLM:
2016 Podere le Boncie (Giovanna Morganti) Le Trame Toscana IGT - Italy, Tuscany, Toscana IGT (12/17/2020)
An interesting counterpoint to many of the other 2016 Tuscan wines we've been drinking in that it has a real lightness and more of a crunchy red fruit profile. A lean savory quality cuts through the middle and the finish is bright and bouncy. I liked it more than Steph. Plenty going on now, but should become more complex with a couple of years. Really easy to drink. This doesn't get to my market but I'll look to pick up some more if it crosses my path. (92 points)
Drank the 2017 of this a month ago and really loved it. Surprisingly open already, unless it shuts down at some point.
Last night we tried the 2018 Le Trame, fearing we might not like it as much as the 2017 because it's younger and the vintage supposedly warmer, but the label showed 13% instead of the 2017's 13.5% and it was thoroughly delicious and already quite complex for such a young'un. Bingo.