Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
I saw folks at Berserkers cheering this price as great. I don’t get it. But then I don’t get the adoration for this wine.
2019 Lapierre Morgon
- Thread starter Jim Hanlon
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I saw folks at Berserkers cheering this price as great. I don’t get it. But then I don’t get the adoration for this wine.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
A chacun, mon ami.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
Hasn't been worth the buy-up in my experience. Same generally with the Cuvee Marcel. My Morgon doesn't need to be riper or more concentrated.
Speaking of balanced Morgon, any Daniel Bouland fans here. I quite like them, in a different stylistic vein from Foillard and Lapierre.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
Emphatically, no.
In Morgon, Chamonard (off the charts), Desvignes (tickles the little grey cells), Savoye (lovely). Among the kermit guys, arm twisted, guy breton.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
I've had two bottles of 2011 Bouland Delys in the past five years, and the most articulate thing I can say about them is: gnarly.
Foillard's 3.14 first came to light on WD, IIRC, in an SFJoe note from the big fete in France - maybe 2009? - where such things are tasted. "Sick wine," was his first recorded impression, if memory serves.
At that time, I was outraged at the prospect of paying $30 for a bottle of Beaujolais (for the Morgon de PY, not the 3.14) and Joe's chiding persuaded me to try Foillard's wines for the first time. Claims of their insipidness notwithstanding, I haven't regretted doing so: I still love the 09s and the 10s are singing sweetly now.
Anyway, the moving lips sip, and having sipped, move on. If 3.14 is going for $80 now, happily, there are alternatives.
Foillard's 3.14 first came to light on WD, IIRC, in an SFJoe note from the big fete in France - maybe 2009? - where such things are tasted. "Sick wine," was his first recorded impression, if memory serves.
At that time, I was outraged at the prospect of paying $30 for a bottle of Beaujolais (for the Morgon de PY, not the 3.14) and Joe's chiding persuaded me to try Foillard's wines for the first time. Claims of their insipidness notwithstanding, I haven't regretted doing so: I still love the 09s and the 10s are singing sweetly now.
Anyway, the moving lips sip, and having sipped, move on. If 3.14 is going for $80 now, happily, there are alternatives.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
Huh, I'm surprised at the negative views on Bouland, although it's a small sample size. In my experience, they've been in or at least neat the same vein as Desvignes.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
yep, there seems to be a following.
I was turned off by the 09s early on, on account of the wines' being front-loaded, with great entrance/middle but loss of definition and freshness in the finish. I am generally, back then and now, a fan of the 09s with very few complaints among the top producers. So not an aversion to the vintage. I was curious to try the guy in cooler years, and, shockingly, found the same pattern - as if it were by design.
I'll try again!
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
Same here. But I bet not the same Joe.
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
Maybe my favorable opinion was jaded by trying Bouland Delys in relatively cool vintages 2013 and 2014. We could check in on 13 should we ever meet again. :)
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
I've got a couple bottles of '09 Beaujolais on hand. It's almost nice enough to drink outside.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
coincidentally so do I! some chermette, brun, billards.
outside, you say?
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
I really wish Billards made it to the west coast. I buy a good bit of wine from Chambers St., but they don't stock it either. So I have to buy it somewhere I don't usually shop. Often worth it. Billards presents really great value at less than $20. In that league with Roilette. But even more than value, it's just a wine I like to drink and cellar.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ooh, I love guessing games. Was it Joe the Plumber - didn't he run against Obama? Stands to reason the guy knows Beaujolais.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
I don't know that I'm giving it a bad review, I'm just not sure to make of it. If it's like Desvignes, then, like Devignes, it will take its own sweet time about letting us see what's been going on inside. Presumably.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Brun and Lapierre, both Morgon. (I have add'l '09 Brun cru in storage.)
Yes, yes, the really big room with the really bright light in the ceiling. (And occasional plumbing problems from the floor above.)
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
Joe the Schnook.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
Ages great too. I didn't know until I tagged along with Gilman one day, and they opened stuff going back to 76. It was also the first time I appreciated red wine with cheese, an art form I had fully rejected (although it should be noted I had explored, by then, about a third of the regions that I am familiar with now). Perfectly ripe Mont d'Or with an aged St Amour was a revelation; my reaction was noted by a family member who pointed out the window and announced, solemnly: "it [the cheese] comes from the mountains."
beaujolais at chambers - that a busy and diverse section, no? something would have to go to make room :-)
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
Billards isn't organic either, which could be an issue for Chambers. I don't know how strict they are about that. I'd be fine if they cut out Dutraive, but that's probably a minority position among their customers and I expect those wines sell well.
A good Mont d'Or is magical. The first one I had was also at a domaine, Tournelle in Arbois. Pascal Clairet recently passed, for those who didn't know.