"Thank God" wines

[Ken Schramm]

originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):

Looking for good affordable Burgundy is like watching the tail lights of a train you wanted to be on, receding slowly in the distance and gloom.

Whoa, the blue light was my baby
And the red light was my mind
All my love was in vain
All my love's in vain

RJ

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):

originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Francois Lumpp makes a slew of Givry 1er Crus that are fairly easy to find in the $40 - 50 range (I first bought his wines when the 1er Crus were ~$29). They are generally very good to excellent.

. . . . . . Pete

Looking for good affordable Burgundy is like watching the tail lights of a train you wanted to be on, receding slowly in the distance and gloom.

This statement begs the question (in the traditional sense of the term) of what is meant by the terms “good” and “affordable.” It is my most fervent hope that most of the Burgundy in my cellar is good, and I have great confidence that it was affordable.

Mark Lipton

 

[Bill Lundstrom]

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):

originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Francois Lumpp makes a slew of Givry 1er Crus that are fairly easy to find in the $40 - 50 range (I first bought his wines when the 1er Crus were ~$29). They are generally very good to excellent.

. . . . . . Pete

Looking for good affordable Burgundy is like watching the tail lights of a train you wanted to be on, receding slowly in the distance and gloom.

This statement begs the question (in the traditional sense of the term) of what is meant by the terms “good” and “affordable.” It is my most fervent hope that most of the Burgundy in my cellar is good, and I have great confidence that it was affordable.

Mark Lipton

there's definitely good value in burgundy if you look hard enough. Considering it's the best pinot noir in the world .

 

[Peter Creasey]

And it's helpful to have an adept and thoughtful purveyor.

. . . . . Pete

 

[Christian Miller (CMM)]

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):

originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Francois Lumpp makes a slew of Givry 1er Crus that are fairly easy to find in the $40 - 50 range (I first bought his wines when the 1er Crus were ~$29). They are generally very good to excellent.

. . . . . . Pete

Looking for good affordable Burgundy is like watching the tail lights of a train you wanted to be on, receding slowly in the distance and gloom.

This statement begs the question (in the traditional sense of the term) of what is meant by the terms “good” and “affordable.” It is my most fervent hope that most of the Burgundy in my cellar is good, and I have great confidence that it was affordable.

Mark Lipton

Good = I like it. At over $25 I better like it a lot.
Affordable = Either under $30 OR $30-50 where I won't be sorry I didn't buy a PN from somewhere else, probably for $5-15 less.

The price escalation over the past 2-3 years for nearly all red Burgundy and Cote d'Or whites has been stunning IMHO. Even 1re crus from less fashionable appellations, wines that I used to buy a few bottles of each year, are well into total splurge territory for me. The economics make perfect sense, but for me "the blue light was my Burgundy, the red light was my mind."

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):

originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Francois Lumpp makes a slew of Givry 1er Crus that are fairly easy to find in the $40 - 50 range (I first bought his wines when the 1er Crus were ~$29). They are generally very good to excellent.

. . . . . . Pete

Looking for good affordable Burgundy is like watching the tail lights of a train you wanted to be on, receding slowly in the distance and gloom.

This statement begs the question (in the traditional sense of the term) of what is meant by the terms “good” and “affordable.” It is my most fervent hope that most of the Burgundy in my cellar is good, and I have great confidence that it was affordable.

Mark Lipton

Everybody: when you feel the urge to say "begs the question," just say "raises the question." Just because it will make me feel better.

 

[Peter Creasey]

Jonathan, I suspect Mark was disappointed that you have been MIA and wanted to make sure you are still up to your normal par.

Glad to see you are.

. . . . . Pete

 

[Jeff Grossman]

Bazinga!

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):

originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Francois Lumpp makes a slew of Givry 1er Crus that are fairly easy to find in the $40 - 50 range (I first bought his wines when the 1er Crus were ~$29). They are generally very good to excellent.

. . . . . . Pete

Looking for good affordable Burgundy is like watching the tail lights of a train you wanted to be on, receding slowly in the distance and gloom.

This statement begs the question (in the traditional sense of the term) of what is meant by the terms “good” and “affordable.” It is my most fervent hope that most of the Burgundy in my cellar is good, and I have great confidence that it was affordable.

Mark Lipton

Everybody: when you feel the urge to say "begs the question," just say "raises the question." Just because it will make me feel better.

You should know me better than that, Jonathan. Although perhaps poorly worded, what I was saying was that he had begged the question in its rhetorical sense: his argument relied on his conclusion. In this case, because both the concepts good and affordable are subjective in nature, the validity of his argument relies on his own subjective definitions, thus begging the question.

Mark Lipton

 

[Christian Miller (CMM)]

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):

originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Francois Lumpp makes a slew of Givry 1er Crus that are fairly easy to find in the $40 - 50 range (I first bought his wines when the 1er Crus were ~$29). They are generally very good to excellent.

. . . . . . Pete

Looking for good affordable Burgundy is like watching the tail lights of a train you wanted to be on, receding slowly in the distance and gloom.

This statement begs the question (in the traditional sense of the term) of what is meant by the terms “good” and “affordable.” It is my most fervent hope that most of the Burgundy in my cellar is good, and I have great confidence that it was affordable.

Mark Lipton

Everybody: when you feel the urge to say "begs the question," just say "raises the question." Just because it will make me feel better.

You should know me better than that, Jonathan. Although perhaps poorly worded, what I was saying was that he had begged the question in its rhetorical sense: his argument relied on his conclusion. In this case, because both the concepts good and affordable are subjective in nature, the validity of his argument relies on his own subjective definitions, thus begging the question.

Mark Lipton

I don't think it was an argument or proposed as a general rule. Just an opinion that induced a metaphor. However, I suspect I have a lot of company.

 

[Jonathan Loesberg]

Claiming that good is subjective in nature begs the question. And that is how to use the phrase. I do happily admit that your construction of your original statement also fits, though barely.

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Claiming that good is subjective in nature begs the question. And that is how to use the phrase. I do happily admit that your construction of your original statement also fits, though barely.

I am fairly certain that if I were better versed in logical fallacies there would be a better fit for that one but I couldn’t resist the bait.

Mark Lipton

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Claiming that good is subjective in nature begs the question. And that is how to use the phrase. I do happily admit that your construction of your original statement also fits, though barely.

I am fairly certain that if I were better versed in logical fallacies there would be a better fit for that one but I couldn’t resist the bait.

Mark Lipton

A wriggling worm for sure.