When did the Jura go all Burgundy...

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
It's also pandemic boredom. A lot of wine auctions are hitting record prices because a lot of people are stuck indoors with their money and have nothing else to do.
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It is a torment to me when "values" skyrocket on wines I collected for love and interest before commercial status was part of the picture. I don't own a lot of the rare ones, but Loire wines and even some Cornas were so unappreciated when I spent years visiting and learning about them and now Rougeard and Verset are kooky $$$.

I get stuck when I think of opening them vs selling them because despite myself I can't help but respond to the lure of profit (as a participant in this corporate culture, however reluctantly/thoughtfully).

Everyone has rationale for their actions and I admit I'm nonplussed.
 
I usually won't sell a wine unless something else sparks the profit motive. In this case, as I said, Gail has decided that she doesn't like Poulsard. Before we both retired, I could drink wines that only I liked when she was on a business trip. Separate travel no longer occurs much so occasions to drink Poulsard are dwindling away and it seemed profit was the better option. The only other wine I sold, the 1990 Jaboulet Hermitage, I did so after I decided a couple of years ago that the wine had a good chance of never opening up in my lifetime.
 
I never have had (nor ever intend to have) any intention of selling my wine. My estate will surely appreciate receiving it.

Given my fiscal ultra-conservativeness, though, it is really difficult for me to gather the resolve to pull my most valuable selections outside of those occasions when having the opportunity to share with properly appreciative guests.

. . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
Those prices are insane. I don't see how Normal Humans wouldn't be disappointed after spending that money..
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Well, that’s how I feel about Truchot now. And I like Truchot!
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And here I was, saving my last few Truchot to share with you. Hmmm.
 
What I find interesting with all this, is that in some cases there are wines that run in parallel with the ultra-culties that are nearly/just as good. We all oughta be focused on those...??

Can we create a super secret list that lurkers won't see? You know all the ultra culties get their start here...
 
originally posted by Bob Semon:
Reconsider?
originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
Those prices are insane. I don't see how Normal Humans wouldn't be disappointed after spending that money..
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Well, that’s how I feel about Truchot now. And I like Truchot!
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And here I was, saving my last few Truchot to share with you. Hmmm.
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Oh, no, I still want to drink yours!
 
I think the $500+ prices for some of these wines possibly derive from natural wines having become mainstream and a popular belief that the most desirable natural wines come from the Jura. At a lower level, prices are relatively high for wines from Jura producers who haven't even attained cult status yet.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
Those prices are insane. I don't see how Normal Humans wouldn't be disappointed after spending that money.

I was never an Overnoy Obsessive, so maybe I never studied them closely enough. But they struck me as very nice gentle delicate and intriguing natural wines. Nowhere near the depth or layers to make me want to spend anywhere near $100, let alone $500. $32 sounds about right, maybe slightly higher to account for 2021 inflation!

But tell me I'm missing something...
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Kind of funny to think of someone used to Beaux Freres or Williams-Selyem opening one for dinner.
 
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
Kind of funny to think of someone used to Beaux Freres or Williams-Selyem opening one for dinner.
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But the approval of others is the secret sauce. How long till they are chasing down rare bottles of Jamaican Meat Wine?
 
originally posted by Ben Hunting:
I think the $500+ prices for some of these wines possibly derive from natural wines having become mainstream and a popular belief that the most desirable natural wines come from the Jura. At a lower level, prices are relatively high for wines from Jura producers who haven't even attained cult status yet.
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I haven't seen any quantitative evidence of this in the U.S. market. However, for wines in tiny production, even a statistical blip in a survey of high end consumers could represent a doubling or tripling of demand.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
Kind of funny to think of someone used to Beaux Freres or Williams-Selyem opening one for dinner.
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But the approval of others is the secret sauce. How long till they are chasing down rare bottles of Jamaican Meat Wine?
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I heard the Biden administration was banning all imports of meat wine.
 
Also, accordint to Larry Kudlow, all beer made with meat, or at least, and I am not making this up, any beer that is not plant-based. I assume this is one ban supported by all current beer makers.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Also, accordint to Larry Kudlow, all beer made with meat, or at least, and I am not making this up, any beer that is not plant-based. I assume this is one ban supported by all current beer makers.
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There’s more than one oyster stout being brewed commercially in WA.
 
You do know that the oyster shells don't do the fermenting, don't you? Also that the context was that once Biden banned beef, we would have to drink "plant-based beer"? Maybe this is that irony I've been hearing so much about.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Also, accordint to Larry Kudlow, all beer made with meat, or at least, and I am not making this up, any beer that is not plant-based. I assume this is one ban supported by all current beer makers.
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Kudlow is so spectacularly wrong, so frequently, so publicly that you have to wonder if it's actually some kind of weird performance art.
 
Actually, weather prediction is far more of a science and meteorologists make predictions of a kind that economists won't ever do, like tell you what will happen tomorrow. They hit less than a hundred, but they hit often enough so that we will still listen. It's an insult to them to compare them to Kudlow.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Actually, weather prediction is far more of a science and meteorologists make predictions of a kind that economists won't ever do, like tell you what will happen tomorrow. They hit less than a hundred, but they hit often enough so that we will still listen. It's an insult to them to compare them to Kudlow.
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It's an insult to many economists to compare them to Kudlow, for that matter. Agree on meteorology vs. economic forecasting, although pooled forecasts show only moderate error and biases and many of the details of the 2008 recession and recovery played out like a Keynesian script.
 
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