TN: The Virtual Tasting #14 (May 21, 2021)

Jeff Grossman

Jeff Grossman
attendees: Don & Melissa, Eden & Scott, Jay, Jayson, Jeff, Lisa, Scott & Anne-Marie

Wines provided by Jayson (superhero labels) and Lisa (Harry Potter labels).

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The first two wines are a set.

Hawkeye - "The variety starts with 'R'" -Victor; "Romorantin!" -Jay, ever hopeful (no). This is a young and fresh riesling, tangy and citrussy, a bit sweet but not overwhelmingly so. We identify it as German and probably a Kabinett but that's as far as we go. Emrich-Schönleber 2019 Monzinger Riesling Kabinett, 10%.

Capt. America - Rather dryer and reduced. Jay blithely asks, "Is Capt. America from Austria?" (no). Victor calls out notes of citrus pith and so we're back to Germany (yes). It is Emrich-Schönleber 2019 Monzinger Trocken "Mineral", 12.5%. The juice is from young vines in the grand cru vineyards.

The next three wines are all from the same year. Lisa takes notes of our guesses (because there will be a quiz later?).

Pumpkin Juice - "Pickle juice" -Anne-Marie, "Caraway" -Victor. And it's another wine from a grape that starts with 'R'. This one is easy, it's riesling and old riesling, at that. Jayson gets on a roll... "Austrian?", yes, "Nikolaihof?", yes. Lisa: "So, are you ready to put a nickel down on the year?" Hm. The acidity is still decent but this seems old to me so I guess 1988; most folks guess in the 90s. The wine is Nikolaihof Kremstal Riesling "Steiner Hund".
=> I kept some for Day 3: shot.

Polyjuice Potion - "Cooked apricots" -Jayson, "Graham crackers" -Jeff, "Gingerbread" -Melissa. Hm. The acidity is still fairly sharp, long in the mouth, and dry, dry, dry. Somehow we decide this is chenin from Savennieres but again it is Jayson who nails it as Joly Savennieres "Clos de la Coulée de Serrant".
=> Day 3: beautiful, has blossomed into full elegance and balance

Manticore Venom - "Antique banana!" -Melissa, "A little pound cake" -Jay. An old white-wine nose, the palate is full of face-powder and spice-cake (...not actually all that attractive). I'm thinking chenin and we get there in steps... French, Loire, Chenin, but despite our posh palates we do not guess that it is: Clos Rougeard Saumur Blanc "Breze"
=> Day 3: whoa, this has way, way opened up, unrecognizable from Thursday, another wine of great poise, the old "sunshine in a bottle" phrase is apt, wow

Lisa announces last call for guess of the year. I think we all stand pat except Jay, who flips to 1985. And... wah-wah... a year's supply of Rice-a-Roni and a goat for all of us, as no one guessed 1999.



We end with a few reds.

Thor - Nice nose but maybe a touch lactic? We chew this over for a while and, eventually, Jay ventures, "Syrah?" (yes). Well, that cues me because this kind of distracting funk only happens in, "St-Joseph?" (yes). Not one of the big players so we eventually yield: La Ferme des Sept Lunes (Jean Delobre and Jacques Maurice) 2016 St. Joseph "Premier Quartier".
=> Day 3: about as it was, maybe a tad too leathery for its own good now

Black Widow - The nose is also funky but not bad. People are not happy however, calling "seawater" and "battery acid" on the palate. Spoiled somehow and a shame: Noël Ramonet 2000 Chassagne-Montrachet Rouge 1er "Boudriotte".
=> Day 3: no offense remains but the wine is mute, nearly tasteless

Hulk - Sure is. Hulk like tannin! Hulk like green pepper! Hulk come on with subtlety of freight train! But we know how this goes: "Old World?" (yes), "Bordeaux?" (yes), "Left Bank?" -Jay (yes), "1995?" -Jay (yes), "St-Estephe?" -Victor (yes), "Calon-Segur?" -Jay (we are terrible, non?). The wine is incredibly backward, no need to rush this, go out, raise some children then come back to it. Eventually, the nose gives up some black cherry and earth. Ch. Calon-Segur 1995 St. Estephe
=> Day 3: OK, it has unwound a bit, it is still austere, the alcohol sticks out a bit, there really isn't anything lush or even particularly pleasant about the wine; it is clean, pure, strong stuff so maybe it works well with food

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One topic of import that we discussed during the call is whether to continue these sessions. After all, we're fully vaxxed, restrictions on gatherings are being lifted, and in-person is superior to online. But we will do at least one more, and, speaking for myself, I'm happy for them to continue. They are not superseding any jeebi and they allow folks to get together with only a minimum of logistics. It's not perfect, of course, but which one of you is?

OK, I take it back. We actually did discuss that aspect of it, too:
Jayson: "Zippy has delusions of grandeur."
Jay: "They're not delusions."

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I can only remember getting that lactic nose in very young Syrah. Have others found it elsewhere?

Mark Lipton
 
I didn’t get lactic on the St. Joseph. I thought the funk/reduction blew off. It was better on Days 2 and 3 but a little surly. Like Thor. Decent but not as good as others I’ve had from the house.

On lactic I’ve had lactic N Rhone Syrah both young and old. On old it’s always very disappointing. And doesn’t blow off.

I was in a good zone guessing Lisa’s whites. I called the first one Steiner Hund just before the reveal. And the second one Savennieres initially. I thought the Steiner Hund was actually better on Day 2. All three of Lisa’s whites showed beautifully to me. The Joly is what happens when that wine isn’t flawed.

I’m going to bury my other couple bottles of ‘95 Calon Segur for my 75th bday in 2045.
 
Loved the Rougeard. I was actually heading there when I guessed Saumur but when she replied Saumur Anjou and, remembering its popularity back in the good old days, I then guessed La Lune and never went back.

That nose was gorgeous and it was even better on day 2.

I've never had an Emrich-Schönleber before that I recall so it was nice to be become acquainted. The Kabinett was a wonderful introduction.

Captain America was from Germany? Hail Hydra!
 
Kudos on the presentation. You'll recall I wrote a Wonderpets tasting some years ago, and I started afterwards on a superhero version (but Marvel, not DC), but I couldn't bring it home. Well done.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Kudos on the presentation. You'll recall I wrote a Wonderpets tasting some years ago, and I started afterwards on a superhero version (but Marvel, not DC), but I couldn't bring it home. Well done.

You do realize that Captain America, Hulk and Thor are all Marvel characters, right?
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Kudos on the presentation. You'll recall I wrote a Wonderpets tasting some years ago, and I started afterwards on a superhero version (but Marvel, not DC), but I couldn't bring it home. Well done.

You do realize that Captain America, Hulk and Thor are all Marvel characters, right?

Oh now I am going to be distracted all day!

How about a Fawcett theme? Pair two different vintages, or a grand cru and a villages, and call them Captain Marvel and Captain Marvel Jr.? What wine would be labelled with "Spy Smasher"? "Mary Marvel"? "Hoppy the Marvel Bunny"?

And in a very different direction, maybe go with an E.C. theme. Tales from the Crypt might work for those who have deep cellars.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
I've never had an Emrich-Schönleber before that I recall so it was nice to be become acquainted. The Kabinett was a wonderful introduction.

aged auf der lay has competed, favorably, with the very best dry german rieslings
 
Helpful as I've been eyeing both La Ferme des Sept Lunes (available locally) and the Emrich-Schönleber (which I haven't tried in a while but which should be available locally soonish now that Vom Boden has them). The two wines are about $40/btl retail. How do they qualitatively stand up to peers?

My bottles of 1999 Steiner Hund all died a pre-mature premox death. I could never figure out whether they were handled poorly or a cork issue or just random p'ox.

Very cool trio of 1999s though.

I've been dining out with vaxxed friends and would hope to jeebus soon with similarly vaxxed folks. Anti-vaxxers get shunned at best...
 
Nathan, which wines exactly are available to you?

What’s your St Jo comparator at $40? Faury? If you are choosing between this and Pergaud Brezeme or St-Julien-en-St-Alban, I think you know the answer.

I thought the Kabinett was good, even better with a bit of spicy food, but to me it lacks the structure of a good MSR Kabi. With a lot of air, I thought the Mineral was the more interesting wine. I would equate its size and structure to a Federspiel if the analogy is GG is to Smaragd like Mineral is to _______. And it will age.

I have a couple bottles still of ‘99 Steiner Hund from release. For all I know, I may be storing wine that is long dead.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
What’s your St Jo comparator at $40? Faury? If you are choosing between this and Pergaud Brezeme or St-Julien-en-St-Alban, I think you know the answer.

yeah, the answer is all of the above
 
originally posted by John M:
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Kudos on the presentation. You'll recall I wrote a Wonderpets tasting some years ago, and I started afterwards on a superhero version (but Marvel, not DC), but I couldn't bring it home. Well done.

You do realize that Captain America, Hulk and Thor are all Marvel characters, right?

Oh now I am going to be distracted all day!

How about a Fawcett theme? Pair two different vintages, or a grand cru and a villages, and call them Captain Marvel and Captain Marvel Jr.? What wine would be labelled with "Spy Smasher"? "Mary Marvel"? "Hoppy the Marvel Bunny"?

And in a very different direction, maybe go with an E.C. theme. Tales from the Crypt might work for those who have deep cellars.

Or compare all the different Captain Marvels. The Fawcett/DC version and the 3 different Marvel versions (or 4 if you count Mar-vell before and after he attained cosmic awareness and his hair changed color).
 
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