2019 Burgundy

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
This thread certainly has taken a strange turn as is our bent.

The above prompted one of my reflexive nits about CW in the non-science community: that the formula E=mc^2, as the most widely known expression of Special Relativity, is not accurate for a massive object or particle except in its rest frame, and honestly it doesn’t tell you much of anything interesting. But people love to say, “E=mc^2,” for some reason. I’ve never understood why.

But I won’t bohr you further with my geeky physics tangents.
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I niels down before your succinct statement of the non-specialist perspective.

On the other hand, it matters quite a bit to people who make nuclear powerplants and weapons. Also those who enjoy sunshine, although most of them may not see it in that light (sorry). Among others.

Also allows, e.g., the first law of thermodynamics to be extended to matter as well as energy. And other things.

Actually, it's a pretty handy insight.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Morot's wines are generally long-term propositions, que no?
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Honestly there isn't any Burgundy I would age that I wouldn't also enjoy drinking on release. (but never in between!)
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Fair. More precise would have been "... long term propositions, unless you're drinking them young." I keep forgetting I'm posting on Wine Disorder.

I poked around among internet wisdom on Morot's Burgundies a few years ago, and the common observation is that they are slow in-bottle evolvers.

But, feel free to contradict me if you have better info.

Actually, on reflection, I have a couple of 2003 Teurons magnums and could broach one in the fall to assess for myself. I've dabbled hitherto in his SLB Vergelesses with inconclusive results, but those were opened around the 10-year mark, iirc.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
Could I possibly hijack the thread to speak about 2019 Burgundy? A geek particle at rest is driven to try new producers in an era of climate change, insane prices, lockdown-induced alcoholism, allocation bullshit, etc. A few stand out, including Parize Pere et Fils in Givry. I've yet to try Champ Nalot, but both the Vieilles Vignes and Le Grands Vignes 1er are delightful and singularly specific to the appellation. If you believe that Burgundy doesn't actually go with boeuf bourguignon (except for a well-documented case of 93 nuits jayer), then you should try these. Organic to boot, so you are actually allowed to drink the stuff.
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De gustibus, particles behave differently when observed, so wines taste differently when drunk, but the Henri & Gilles Buisson Saint Romains (Combe Bazin and Sous Roche) fill this niche for me. Haven't tried the 2019 version, tho.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
A few stand out, including Parize Pere et Fils in Givry. I've yet to try Champ Nalot, but both the Vieilles Vignes and Le Grands Vignes 1er are delightful and singularly specific to the appellation. If you believe that Burgundy doesn't actually go with boeuf bourguignon (except for a well-documented case of 93 nuits jayer), then you should try these. Organic to boot, so you are actually allowed to drink the stuff.
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careful research reveals that my only viable source of this shit involves a third party transaction in belgium. would i still be allowed to drink it, or would that invalidate the waiver from teh politburo?

anxious minds and all that,

fb.
 
originally posted by fatboy:
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
A few stand out, including Parize Pere et Fils in Givry. I've yet to try Champ Nalot, but both the Vieilles Vignes and Le Grands Vignes 1er are delightful and singularly specific to the appellation. If you believe that Burgundy doesn't actually go with boeuf bourguignon (except for a well-documented case of 93 nuits jayer), then you should try these. Organic to boot, so you are actually allowed to drink the stuff.
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careful research reveals that my only viable source of this shit involves a third party transaction in belgium. would i still be allowed to drink it, or would that invalidate the waiver from teh politburo?

anxious minds and all that,

fb.
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Wine-Searcher shows two sources in Ireland, if you're still in the EU.
 
Lignier-Michelot 2019 Morey-St.-Denis Les Faconnieres

Just like that fine line between stupid and clever it turns out the line between boring and beautiful is finer than I'd previously assumed. My objective take on this for the first hour or so is that it's red-fruited, softly textured, and just a bit cedary from the oak - kinda boring and disappointing. My objective take on it after that is that it's red-fruited, softly textured, and just a bit cedary from the oak - and just ravishingly beautiful. The difference in objective characteristics is minor but the difference in overall sensation and emotional resonance is huge. Part of it is that the tannins went from generically soft to exquisitely lacy but mostly it just got those knobs on the equalizer dialed into the right spot. At both stages though, it's finer, more streamlined, and lighter-toned than any prior vintage of this has been for me. And no noticeable CO2 to deal with! I'm not sure if the current pricing makes this much of a value but, still, the same wine would cost quite a bit more sold as a fancy Chambolle cru, and it could pass for one.
 
I get what you're saying and am sure that your keen powers of observation were correct. But the alternative explanation is that things are more exciting once you get more alcohol into your system!
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
I get what you're saying and am sure that your keen powers of observation were correct. But the alternative explanation is that things are more exciting once you get more alcohol into your system!
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That theory suffers from a replication crisis.
 
Any insider insights on the pricing we're seeing now for the 2019s? Do they reflect the suspension earlier this year of the last administration's tariffs? Or were the tariffs still passed through for these bottles because of the timing of the orders, or some other ITB quirk?
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
If anything, it’s Bizarro world, and I am seeing pricing above or far above tariff pricing.
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this is true, and it is everywhere that I have looked. Auction prices included.
 
originally posted by Tristan Welles:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
If anything, it’s Bizarro world, and I am seeing pricing above or far above tariff pricing.
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this is true, and it is everywhere that I have looked. Auction prices included.
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I think we're seeing a combination of a) tariff pricing raising the bar for what importers/distributors can charge; b) anyone who ate margin during the tariffs trying to make it back now; c) a string of very small vintages in Burgundy, so producers/importers/distributors need to raise prices to hold onto revenue; d) all of the above affecting pricing on the Burgundy market writ large.
 
Thanks.

It looks like someone has been reading Keith's notes - McArthur's remaining Morot Teurons vanished from the shelf overnight. In view of the commentary immediately above, this makes perfect sense.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Thanks.

It looks like someone has been reading Keith's notes - McArthur's remaining Morot Teurons vanished from the shelf overnight. In view of the commentary immediately above, this makes perfect sense.
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in view of the commentary above, there are two suspects: Keith or yours truly.
 
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