Pleasant-value wines

Peter Creasey

Peter Creasey
And quite quaffable...

Francois Labet Bourgogne Pinot Noir '19 - Medium red, generous bouquet of red fruits, some earth, nicely structured, plums, dark berries, light and bright. [B+]

. . . . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:
Pleasant-value wines
And quite quaffable...

Francois Labet Bourgogne Pinot Noir '19 - Medium red, generous bouquet of red fruits, some earth, nicely structured, plums, dark berries, light and bright. [B+]

. . . . . . . Pete
Funny thing about plain Bourgogne wines these days: in my (admittedly limited) experience, they have been much better over the past 5-8 years than the bad old days. On the other hand, their "value" pricing is mainly a function of the exorbitant pricing for nearly every other Cote d'Or Burgundy. What was the price for this one?
 
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):

Funny thing about plain Bourgogne wines these days: in my (admittedly limited) experience, they have been much better over the past 5-8 years than the bad old days. On the other hand, their "value" pricing is mainly a function of the exorbitant pricing for nearly every other Cote d'Or Burgundy.

This.

I remember thinking nice value in the 90s, then horrible value in the 00s, then having to rethink lately - in part due to the emergence of the hautes cotes aided by climate change.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):

Funny thing about plain Bourgogne wines these days: in my (admittedly limited) experience, they have been much better over the past 5-8 years than the bad old days. On the other hand, their "value" pricing is mainly a function of the exorbitant pricing for nearly every other Cote d'Or Burgundy.

This.

I remember thinking nice value in the 90s, then horrible value in the 00s, then having to rethink lately - in part due to the emergence of the hautes cotes aided by climate change.
I'm very intrigued by the hautes cotes in this era. Any you can recommend that might have distribution in the Bay area?
 
$35-50 for a bottle of regional has driven me from bourgogne like a vampire from a silver cross hung with garlic. I don't need a lot more wine to get through the balance of my actuarial prospects, but such of my funds as is flowing out in exchange for reds these days is mostly addressed to vintners in the Loire valley.
 
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):

I'm very intrigued by the hautes cotes in this era. Any you can recommend that might have distribution in the Bay area?

CMM, don't know about the bay area.

not quite hautes cotes, but is there any chantal lescure out there?

and you could do a lot worse than rateau, rollin, or giboulot in the hautes, should those things ever make it out west
 
Carol Shelton has been Mastering the Zen of Zin since 1978. Focusing mostly on her favorite varietal, Carol is a guru of single vineyard Zinfandel. California has been the home world class Zin for over a century, making it the benchmark varietal of American wine culture. Carol & Mitch Mackenzie, her husband and business partner, have sought out exceptional vineyards throughout California including Dry Creek Valley, Rockpile, Russian River Valley, Mendocino, and the Cucamonga Valley of Southern California. Many of her vineyard sources are organically grown and decades old. She develops close partnerships with each grower to ensure her wines maintain and express the unique terroir of the vineyard.

The wine -- Carol Shelton Wild Thing Old Vine Zin Mendocino County '18 -- not as dark as most Zins, voluptuous and juicy bouquet, light and nimble on the palate but with melange of tantalizing flavors, very quaffable (only wish the 14.5% alcohol was a tad less), quite food friendly. [VG+]

. . . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Carol Shelton has been Mastering the Zen of Zin since 1978. Focusing mostly on her favorite varietal, Carol is a guru of single vineyard Zinfandel. California has been the home world class Zin for over a century, making it the benchmark varietal of American wine culture. Carol & Mitch Mackenzie, her husband and business partner, have sought out exceptional vineyards throughout California including Dry Creek Valley, Rockpile, Russian River Valley, Mendocino, and the Cucamonga Valley of Southern California. Many of her vineyard sources are organically grown and decades old. She develops close partnerships with each grower to ensure her wines maintain and express the unique terroir of the vineyard.

The wine -- Carol Shelton Wild Thing Old Vine Zin Mendocino County '18 -- not as dark as most Zins, voluptuous and juicy bouquet, light and nimble on the palate but with melange of tantalizing flavors, very quaffable (only wish the 14.5% alcohol was a tad less), quite food friendly. [VG+]

. . . . . . Pete

The problem here is not that we disagree about whether a wine at 14.5% ABV is light and nimble on the palate (it never is to my palate), but that you have included that PR-style, appallingly written blurb from the home page of her website. Just post notes even if they are about wines some of us might not like.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Mark,
I went to her website and could not find the blurb quote you mention. Could you point me to it?
Best, Jim


You need to click on the leftmost of the two little dots under the text to see it as they have 2 alternate landing pages.
 
Mark, I don't recall going to Carol Shelton's website. Maybe you would be happier with the wikipedia report...

Carol Shelton is an American winemaker and entrepreneur. She has been called the most awarded winemaker in America and was the San Francisco Chronicle's Winemaker of the Year in 2005.[1][2][3]

Personal life and education

When she was a Freshman she took a tour of Sebastiani Winery. The smell of the wine cellar at Sebastiani triggered her interest in winemaking and she decided to study Enology and received her degree in 1978.[1][3][4] She was one of the first women to graduate with a degree in Enology.[2] She worked on the Aroma Wheel project under Ann C. Noble and researched yeast strains and wine.[1][2][4]
Career

After graduation, she started working at Robert Mondavi Winery. She then worked in Australia for Saltrams Wines.[1] At Mondavi, and other wineries, she wasn't allowed to work in the cellars with the men winemakers.[5][2] She almost went back to being a poet. In 1980, she started doing lab work with Andre Tchelistcheff at Buena Vista Winery, whom she credited with re-instating her interest in being a winemaker.[5] The following year she worked for Sonoma Vineyards. In 1991 she became winemaker at Windsor Vineyards. It was at Windsor where she developed a strong interest in Zinfandel wine.[1] She worked at Windsor for nineteen years.[4] Shelton left Windsor after not feeling recognized and acknowledging that the "Management was pretty male dominated and not supportive," of her work. The winery was awarded the Golden Winery Award in 1996 from the California State Fair, and despite being the winemaker for the winery, she was not acknowledged for the award.[4] During her tenure at Windsor she made 45 different wines.[3] In 2000, Shelton and her husband, Mitch Mackenzie, started Shelton-Mackenzie Wine Company. The company manages a wine label and a consulting firm called Vincare. Shelton served on the board of Zinfandel Advocate Producers from 1994 to 1998.[1]

Let us know your reaction now.

. . . . . . Pete
 
If you didn't get the first quotation from her website, where did you read it? You surely aren't suggesting that it just popped into your head?

I don't agree with Mark's complaint, but I don't think, from his perspective, citing Wiki is any better. He just wants your tasting note.
 
Jonathan, as I said, I don't "recall" going to Shelton's website. I might very well have. I don't remember where I got the quotation. The info seemed consistent with what I've encountered elsewhere so I went with it thinking folks here would be interested (if they don't already know it).

. . . . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Mark, I don't recall going to Carol Shelton's website. Maybe you would be happier with the wikipedia report...

Carol Shelton is an American winemaker and entrepreneur. She has been called the most awarded winemaker in America and was the San Francisco Chronicle's Winemaker of the Year in 2005.[1][2][3]

Personal life and education

When she was a Freshman she took a tour of Sebastiani Winery. The smell of the wine cellar at Sebastiani triggered her interest in winemaking and she decided to study Enology and received her degree in 1978.[1][3][4] She was one of the first women to graduate with a degree in Enology.[2] She worked on the Aroma Wheel project under Ann C. Noble and researched yeast strains and wine.[1][2][4]
Career

After graduation, she started working at Robert Mondavi Winery. She then worked in Australia for Saltrams Wines.[1] At Mondavi, and other wineries, she wasn't allowed to work in the cellars with the men winemakers.[5][2] She almost went back to being a poet. In 1980, she started doing lab work with Andre Tchelistcheff at Buena Vista Winery, whom she credited with re-instating her interest in being a winemaker.[5] The following year she worked for Sonoma Vineyards. In 1991 she became winemaker at Windsor Vineyards. It was at Windsor where she developed a strong interest in Zinfandel wine.[1] She worked at Windsor for nineteen years.[4] Shelton left Windsor after not feeling recognized and acknowledging that the "Management was pretty male dominated and not supportive," of her work. The winery was awarded the Golden Winery Award in 1996 from the California State Fair, and despite being the winemaker for the winery, she was not acknowledged for the award.[4] During her tenure at Windsor she made 45 different wines.[3] In 2000, Shelton and her husband, Mitch Mackenzie, started Shelton-Mackenzie Wine Company. The company manages a wine label and a consulting firm called Vincare. Shelton served on the board of Zinfandel Advocate Producers from 1994 to 1998.[1]

Let us know your reaction now.

. . . . . . Pete

Either way is patronizing and assumes we know nothing about these winemakers. You did copy and paste that verbatim (errors included) from her website even if you do not remember doing it.
 
Mark, Not sure what your intentions are here. I just now googled some of the info in the quotation and it appears that a bunch of sites use that data almost if not exactly verbatim; thus, I have no idea where I might have picked it up.

I had no idea who here might or might not have heard of Carol Shelton before. I certainly never imagined providing it might go unappreciated by everyone or might offend you or anyone here.

. . . . . Pete
 
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