Pleasant-value wines

originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Jonathan, as I said, I don't "recall" going to Shelton's website. I might very well have. I don't remember where I got the quotation. The info seemed consistent with what I've encountered elsewhere so I went with it thinking folks here would be interested (if they don't already know it).

. . . . . . . Pete
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I'm sorry for the analogy, Pete, but you sound like students accused of plagiarism telling me they put long paraphrases in their paper but forgot to put quotation marks around them or footnote them. You cut and pasted the description and you to it from somewhere. It seems unlikely it was just lying around waiting to be used on your computer or that you had read it somewhere--where you don't remember--and you quoted it from memory. If it wasn't from the website, where did you cut and paste it before you copied it here?
 
My question was where did the extract you have cut and pasted come from. Unless you tell us either it was just lurking around in your memory or your computer's memory--both equally absurd responses--telling us you don't remember evades the question. It doesn't answer it.
 
0Rotem & Mounir Saguna Inopia Blanc '19 -- From the label...

Inopia expresses a handful of Rhone Valley varieties planted on very poor stony clay where vines grow slowly and produce little fruit.
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Medium dark yellow gold, effusive bouquet, full of fruit and spices, lush round mouthfeel, full flavored, suitable for variety of dishes, medium acidity, garrigue, balance of power/density/elegance, pleasing finish. [VG - E]

The Inopia Rouge is equally as enticing.

Both at relatively "pleasant" price points.

. . . . . . . Pete
 
An old favorite is the Le Vieux Donjon Chateauneuf du Pape (any recent vintage). So quaffable with lots to enjoy. Relatively well priced.

. . . . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

An old favorite is the Le Vieux Donjon Chateauneuf du Pape (any recent vintage). So quaffable with lots to enjoy. Relatively well priced.

. . . . . . . Pete
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What are alcohol levels like these days?
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

An old favorite is the Le Vieux Donjon Chateauneuf du Pape (any recent vintage). So quaffable with lots to enjoy. Relatively well priced.

. . . . . . . Pete
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What are alcohol levels like these days?
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15% ABV
 
Unfortunately, it's hard to get CdP below 15% these days and damn near impossible to get it below 14.5%. I can readily see giving up on the wines for that reason. But there are additional ones for having given up on Vieux Donjon some years ago, when it ceased to be the rustic wine it had once been. On the other hand, since Cambie has gone to his reward, maybe things will change for the wines he consulted with.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by Peter Creasey:
Le Vieux Donjon Chateauneuf du Pape
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What are alcohol levels like these days?
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Claude, label say 14%. Taste test suggests this is probably accurate. The wine comes across quite smooth.

. . . . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by Peter Creasey:
Le Vieux Donjon Chateauneuf du Pape
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What are alcohol levels like these days?
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Claude, label say 14%. Taste test suggests this is probably accurate. The wine comes across quite smooth.

. . . . . . . Pete
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For what vintage? If it's since 09 or 10, it is almost surely too low, though it may well be within the allowable range of error.
 
14% for 2013 seems possible. That was a very cool summer. For 17, it seems unlikely in the extreme. Do VD labels change with the year, by the way? There are many that don't, Pegau being an obvious example. I've seen few labels that admit to 15%, but that doesn't mean there are few wines that aren't at that level.
 
This isn't responsive. I already know and you already said they listed the same ABV in 13 and 17. On its face, this is unlikely given how much cooler a summer 13 was than 17. But my question was whether they change their ABV label statements year by year, as some wineries do not. You can solve this problem by looking at labels from 10,11,12, 14, 15, 16, 18 and 19. Many of these were very different weather years. If they all list the same ABV, you have your answer. Stating again what you see on 13 and 17 won't get us any further.
 
Okay, I see now where you're coming from. That's a good question. Unfortunately, I only have 2013 and 2017 on hand to view.

When I look at online sales blurbs, they evidently just show representative labels and not the actual label of the vintage being advertised.

As you imply, the fact that the label changed for 2013 versus 2017 might or might not be meaningful as it relates to the alcohol specification.

. . . . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
14% for 2013 seems possible. That was a very cool summer. For 17, it seems unlikely in the extreme.
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I've got a 2017 VD at 14% to sell you, and I'll throw in a bridge.
 
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