TN: recent drinking (late summer 2021)

Jeff Grossman

Jeff Grossman
Dom. Bruno Lupin 2018 Roussette de Savoie - a.k.a. altesse, Day 1: sound acidity, minerally, very pure, but also very closed; Day 3: much more open, shows some of the (underripe) peach liqueur richness I expect from altesse, there are occasional wisps of florals; interesting enough to try another

Dom. des Amphores 2019 VdF Mornen Noir - cepage oublie in the region between the Loire and the Rhone, it tastes near to syrah though no one would be fooled, there is definitely a little bouquet of roses to it, the mouthfeel is not so heavy as a Rhone syrah, good acids, drinks very easily (I did manage to save some for the next day, which helped the rose scents to pop more), reminds me a bit of nero buono

Dom. des Amphores 2019 VdF "Sphe-erique" - yup

Brooks 2011 Pinot Noir "Janus" - 12.3%, well, this is surprisingly good, a full and vivid bouquet of pinot fruit, orange oil, and roses; palate lightweight but similar flavors to the nose, fairly long too; there's still a touch of astringency that this cuvee (and maybe this house) has always had but it's coming into balance; hope I have a couple more for, say, 3-5 years from now; Day 2: maybe a little less orange and more red fruit, about the same but a little softer

Jadot 2008 Pernand-Vergelesses 1er En Caradeux "Clos de la Croix de Pierre" - a little tart, a little lightweight, but here's a pretty Cote de Beaune red, juicy in the mouth with abundant pinky-red fruit, just a little lifted, very pleasant at the dinner table

Le Briseau (Nathalie et Emile Heredia) 2019 VdF "Le Verre des Poetes" - 12.5%, brett bomb, dumped (I'm so bummed)

Cardedu 2019 Monica di Sardegna "Praja" - Day 1: yup, that's a medium-weight red; Day 3: well, this has changed, lighter and more savory than it was, the back label claims its Sardinian heritage makes it good with clams and sardines and... it works with shrimp, squid, and halibut! not sure I need to buy this again but if I see it on a menu I just well might

Fritz Windisch 2019 Heimersheimer Rotenfels Dornfelder QBA - overtly fruity, cloying sweetness, dull acidity, I bought 5 bottles of it... to make sangria!

Monte Dall' Ora 2013 Valpolicello Classico Superiore "Camporenza" - very dark-fruit and kinda muted, did I wait too long?

Jolivet 2019 L'Instinct - juicy, gluggable syrah, distinctly N Rhone style, mineral finish, more please

Granbazan 2020 Albarino "Etiqueta Verde" - 13%, more than just the sharp end of a pruning knife, minerally, substantial mouthfeel (3 months of lees)

Ch. Musar 1998 Rouge - 375ml; upon opening, powerfully mentholated; that recedes after a few minutes; light-to-medium weight wine, rather red-fruited, a bit of VA but nowhere near the usual intensity, complex palate (as always), enjoyable if a bit light

Francis Coppola 2018 "Black Label Claret" - a gift; inoffensive CalCab

Falkenstein 2020 Pinot Noir Rose (Herrenberg Zuckerberg Qualitatswein 3 252 672 6 21) - Day 1: pale pink, a tad tart and dry; Day 2: integrates! typical pink-y fruits, not quite like Cotat because it lacks chalk and instead has a clear, crunchy, crystalline rockiness that does not contribute to the flavor profile but spotlights it very well; definitely more-ish

Pepiere, Dom. de la 2014 Muscadet "Gorges" - Day 1: since last time the acidity has gone a little soft, still yellow fruit and minerals; Day 2: served a little cooler which has firmed-up the acidity a little, about the same as yesterday but the sweet-sour balance is more noticeable as it veers back and forth on my palate

Birichino 2019 Mourvedre, Enz Vineyard - another fabulously light and bright wine, which is a good trick because mourvedre is a moody and taciturn grape that at most bestirs itself to some black raspberry-ness, not so mineral and scratchy as the cinsault but equally enticing, did not last the evening
 
FWIW, the Birichino Cinsault seems to me better young - ‘don’t know how old the “mineral and scratchy” one you tasted was but I buy it every year and drink most of it in that year.
I’ve had the Mourvèdre in three vintages and never got one that showed like yours - perhaps, young is good at this house.
Best, jim
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
FWIW, the Birichino Cinsault seems to me better young - ‘don’t know how old the “mineral and scratchy” one you tasted was but I buy it every year and drink most of it in that year.
I think it was 2019. So, yes, young.
I’ve had the Mourvèdre in three vintages and never got one that showed like yours - perhaps, young is good at this house.
I'm scouting a couple other of his bottlings now. The trouble is that my tastes run towards the $40 end of the list rather than the $26 end.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
TN: recent drinking (late summer 2021)Dom. Bruno Lupin 2018 Roussette de Savoie - a.k.a. altesse, Day 1: sound acidity, minerally, very pure, but also very closed; Day 3: much more open, shows some of the (underripe) peach liqueur richness I expect from altesse, there are occasional wisps of florals; interesting enough to try another

I've tried the older vines cuvee from CSW, and liked it enough to modestly reload. I think they still have some, so perhaps check that out. The upcharge is modest, and you get four years aging.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
FWIW, the Birichino Cinsault seems to me better young - ‘don’t know how old the “mineral and scratchy” one you tasted was but I buy it every year and drink most of it in that year.
I think it was 2019. So, yes, young.
I’ve had the Mourvèdre in three vintages and never got one that showed like yours - perhaps, young is good at this house.
I'm scouting a couple other of his bottlings now. The trouble is that my tastes run towards the $40 end of the list rather than the $26 end.

I try different Birichino from time to time, but have never had anything I've liked as much as the Cinsault. To be fair, their Cinsault is one of my favorite California wines.

Jeff, the winery recently folded, but if you haven't had one, try a Dirty & Rowdy Mourvedre if you get the chance. There are multiple bottlings, all worth trying. Definitely a lighter hand.
 
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
FWIW, the Birichino Cinsault seems to me better young - ‘don’t know how old the “mineral and scratchy” one you tasted was but I buy it every year and drink most of it in that year.
I think it was 2019. So, yes, young.
I’ve had the Mourvèdre in three vintages and never got one that showed like yours - perhaps, young is good at this house.
I'm scouting a couple other of his bottlings now. The trouble is that my tastes run towards the $40 end of the list rather than the $26 end.

I try different Birichino from time to time, but have never had anything I've liked as much as the Cinsault. To be fair, their Cinsault is one of my favorite California wines.

Jeff, the winery recently folded, but if you haven't had one, try a Dirty & Rowdy Mourvedre if you get the chance. There are multiple bottlings, all worth trying. Definitely a lighter hand.

I really like the Besson Grenache (own rooted, I think) and the Peter Martin Ray Cabernet (a new addition) which is a throwback style of Cabernet.

I also did not find the 2019 Cinsault "scratchy" but we drink a lot of Sangiovese and Nebbiolo based wines.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
FWIW, the Birichino Cinsault seems to me better young - ‘don’t know how old the “mineral and scratchy” one you tasted was but I buy it every year and drink most of it in that year.
I think it was 2019. So, yes, young.

Jeff - you've had the 2016 and the 2019. The 2016 was the one I opened at the blind Zoom, the 2019 was the joint case order.

IMO the 2016 benefitted from the few additional years of age.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
"Scratchy" is just a descriptor, neither positive nor negative by itself. A lot depends on context.
Of course.
It threw because I like the Cinsault so much and was never as strong on the Mourvèdre.
Best, jim
 
D and I had the 2019 Cinsault tonight and she said she understood how the word scratchy could be used to describe it. I’d not thought of it as anything but a criticism but she got it.

And I will say that this is one of the rare moments that I disagree with Jay. I don’t think aging this wine serves it. I have them going back several years and none of the older ones are as impressive (to me) as the younger ones. I think it’s because this wine is saigneed each vintage and my experience with wines that are bled is that it changes the chemistry/mystery in a way that does not favor aging. But that’s more of a working theory than anything solid.
Best, jim
 
Tasted with Alex Kraus at Birichino in Santa Cruz last week. I really like what they are doing now.

So many delicios pet nats, especialy the 2020 Grenache Pet Nat Besson, 2020 Cinsault Pet Nat, and the 2020 Malvasia Bianco Pet Nat (no skin contact).

The 2020 Central Coast PN is amazing for the money.

The 2019 Scylla blend (Cinsault, Mourvedre, Grenache) is a steal at $20!

The 2019 Old Vines Mourvedre is rich and alive, very balanced.

The 2019 Boer PN is very different from their efforts of the past. Rusty Piedmont notes. Delicious. In fact, all the 'Single Vineyard' offerings are well worth the tab.

The aforementioned Cabernet, and its Chardonnay sister, both from grapes sourced from Mt Eden, are amazing in ways that would be appreciated by those gathered here. Old-school wines, also very well priced in comparison to the competition.
 
Are you referring to the Martin Ray Vnyd. Cab. and Chard.?
I got several bottles of the Chardonnay and the first two were pretty oaky. Suave but oaky. I put the rest in the back of the cellar to see what they turn into but, at $50plus, I probably will just stick with Chablis from now on.
Best, jim
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Are you referring to the Martin Ray Vnyd. Cab. and Chard.?
I got several bottles of the Chardonnay and the first two were pretty oaky. Suave but oaky. I put the rest in the back of the cellar to see what they turn into but, at $50plus, I probably will just stick with Chablis from now on.
Best, jim

That's them. I liked both, but the Cab more.
 
It's the Peter Martin Ray Vnyd. That's not the vineyard Mount Eden makes their wines from. Two friends of mine, one a bonded winemaker and the other a home winemaker, get fruit from PMR.

Here's the history behind that vineyard and the Martin Ray parcel that Mount Eden owns.
 
originally posted by Larry Stein:
It's the Peter Martin Ray Vnyd. That's not the vineyard Mount Eden makes their wines from. Two friends of mine, one a bonded winemaker and the other a home winemaker, get fruit from PMR.

Here's the history behind that vineyard and the Martin Ray parcel that Mount Eden owns.

Yes, Peter Martin Ray was Martin Ray's son. The PMR vineyard is just down the hill from Mount Eden (still at elevation) and, I think, is land that the family got when Martin Ray exited and Mount Eden was formed in 1972.
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
Tasted with Alex Kraus at Birichino in Santa Cruz last week. I really like what they are doing now.

So many delicios pet nats, especialy the 2020 Grenache Pet Nat Besson, 2020 Cinsault Pet Nat, and the 2020 Malvasia Bianco Pet Nat (no skin contact).

The 2020 Central Coast PN is amazing for the money.

The 2019 Scylla blend (Cinsault, Mourvedre, Grenache) is a steal at $20!

The 2019 Old Vines Mourvedre is rich and alive, very balanced.

The 2019 Boer PN is very different from their efforts of the past. Rusty Piedmont notes. Delicious. In fact, all the 'Single Vineyard' offerings are well worth the tab.

The aforementioned Cabernet, and its Chardonnay sister, both from grapes sourced from Mt Eden, are amazing in ways that would be appreciated by those gathered here. Old-school wines, also very well priced in comparison to the competition.

Given a choice between 2019 Birichino Old Vines Grenache Besson Vineyard and 2019 Birichino Cinsault Bechthold Vineyard Lodi, which would you choose?
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by scottreiner:
Tasted with Alex Kraus at Birichino in Santa Cruz last week. I really like what they are doing now.

So many delicios pet nats, especialy the 2020 Grenache Pet Nat Besson, 2020 Cinsault Pet Nat, and the 2020 Malvasia Bianco Pet Nat (no skin contact).

The 2020 Central Coast PN is amazing for the money.

The 2019 Scylla blend (Cinsault, Mourvedre, Grenache) is a steal at $20!

The 2019 Old Vines Mourvedre is rich and alive, very balanced.

The 2019 Boer PN is very different from their efforts of the past. Rusty Piedmont notes. Delicious. In fact, all the 'Single Vineyard' offerings are well worth the tab.

The aforementioned Cabernet, and its Chardonnay sister, both from grapes sourced from Mt Eden, are amazing in ways that would be appreciated by those gathered here. Old-school wines, also very well priced in comparison to the competition.

Given a choice between 2019 Birichino Old Vines Grenache Besson Vineyard and 2019 Birichino Cinsault Bechthold Vineyard Lodi, which would you choose?

Cinsault every time.
 
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by scottreiner:
Tasted with Alex Kraus at Birichino in Santa Cruz last week. I really like what they are doing now.

So many delicios pet nats, especialy the 2020 Grenache Pet Nat Besson, 2020 Cinsault Pet Nat, and the 2020 Malvasia Bianco Pet Nat (no skin contact).

The 2020 Central Coast PN is amazing for the money.

The 2019 Scylla blend (Cinsault, Mourvedre, Grenache) is a steal at $20!

The 2019 Old Vines Mourvedre is rich and alive, very balanced.

The 2019 Boer PN is very different from their efforts of the past. Rusty Piedmont notes. Delicious. In fact, all the 'Single Vineyard' offerings are well worth the tab.

The aforementioned Cabernet, and its Chardonnay sister, both from grapes sourced from Mt Eden, are amazing in ways that would be appreciated by those gathered here. Old-school wines, also very well priced in comparison to the competition.

Given a choice between 2019 Birichino Old Vines Grenache Besson Vineyard and 2019 Birichino Cinsault Bechthold Vineyard Lodi, which would you choose?

Cinsault every time.

Thanks, 'twas my inclination.
 
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