Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
Exactly. Who posted that? I want to call out the BS.
CWD: What did you drink last night (or whenever)?
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Exactly. Who posted that? I want to call out the BS.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Ethan.
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
Saturday night was NV Egly Rose (October 2020 disg., 63 months on the lees) and a friend’s 2009 Coche-Dury Auxey-Duresses Rouge (with missing front label). Both complex and delicious — richness and tension playing off each other.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
I lost track of JFC's auxey rouge after the 02 vintage ( for obvious reasons ), but it had always been a wonderfully earthy and red-fruity wine that absorbed the oak gracefully and purposefully, and used its out-of-the-blocks transparency to delight us with a long drinking window.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
I don't think I ever understood Egly-Ouriet. All kinds of folks lavish all kinds of praise on it but my experiences amount to meh.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
Jayson, please be merciful. They typed too quickly; they meant "the northern rhone geeks hated it, the 2016 DDC drinkers loved it."
Larry Stein
Larry Stein
A friend said this should be drunk up soon. My last bottle. It's very good. Quite aromatic, good texture and balance. Surprisingly, it played well with very spicy versions of dan dan noodles and shredded pork in garlic sauce.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
2019 Montenidoli Vernaccia di San Gimignano Fiore: The same things I said about the Tiberio Pecorino apply to this wine, and I think I like this even more. There's a level of palate depth that's rare to find in a $25 white, much less a Vernaccia. I realize there are some Disorderlies who don't venture into the vinous boot, but for those who do, this is well worth trying if the opportunity presents. It's clear this wine is made with a level of care, attention, and insight that usually costs a fair bit more.
2016 Nanni Cope Sabbie di Sopra il Bosco: Predominantly Pallagrello Nero from Campania north of Naples. I learned about this wine in Robert Camuto's book, South of Somewhere, which is about southern Italian wines. I recommend the book and the wine. This is probably my first Pallagrello Nero, and I'm no expert on Campanian wines. But this is damn good. A dark wine, in a way that would ordinarily concern me. But this pulls it off, with a core of generous, but not too generous, fruit and sound supporting acidity. Drinks well now, over a couple days, and I expect better ahead. Highly recommended for those who like to explore. This wine is every bit the equal of Montevertine, Ferrando Carema, etc.
2016 Nanni Cope Sabbie di Sopra il Bosco: Predominantly Pallagrello Nero from Campania north of Naples. I learned about this wine in Robert Camuto's book, South of Somewhere, which is about southern Italian wines. I recommend the book and the wine. This is probably my first Pallagrello Nero, and I'm no expert on Campanian wines. But this is damn good. A dark wine, in a way that would ordinarily concern me. But this pulls it off, with a core of generous, but not too generous, fruit and sound supporting acidity. Drinks well now, over a couple days, and I expect better ahead. Highly recommended for those who like to explore. This wine is every bit the equal of Montevertine, Ferrando Carema, etc.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Sounds great but the only place in NYC that lists it for sale is Eataly -- notoriously pricey -- and they want north of $100 for it.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
That's amazing. I paid $45. Fairly to well priced at that level. I rarely buy wine at $100+ and wouldn't pay that for this wine, as much as I enjoyed it. It looks like Eataly has the 2017 for $57, which seems more in line with your comment that they are pricey. Hard to imagine a back vintage of one year gets that much escalation, maybe the listed price for the 2016 is an error.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
I've not had this, but I drank a bottle of 2020 Tradizionale in November. Is the Fiore also in a slightly oxidative style? If so, it's a very different beast from the Tiberio unless you are merely comparing quality level, which is very high in both cases.
disorderlies who don't venture into the boot is so 2021
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
The bottle I had wasn't oxidative at all. I think that's why they produce the Fiore separately -- the Tradizionale is based on the traditional way of working, which vinified the wine on the skins a bit, with some of the oxidative style you mention.
about 1/3 of a rene couly clos de l'echo 1985 was sediment. the other two thirds were invigorating, richly textured, smoky, leafy, fresh and very much going strong. my friend hiram felt that this represented everything that haters of cab franc gonna hate and then some, and i can only concur. lovely.
by contrast, our bottle of couly-dutheil clos de l'echo 1989 was undermined by an old wood / crappy cork smell. it was also leaner than the 85, and i suspect i'd have preferred the latter even if this bottle had been pristine.
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by contrast, our bottle of couly-dutheil clos de l'echo 1989 was undermined by an old wood / crappy cork smell. it was also leaner than the 85, and i suspect i'd have preferred the latter even if this bottle had been pristine.
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Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
does the more concentrated '85 couly concentrate that thing haters of cab franc hate, or do i have this backwards?
they both had it. the 85 just had it better, being both warm and ripe and yet still having the tell-tale leafy / paprika / fresh baked clay notes that i for one look for in chinon, but some intolerant jackasses choose to find fault with.
"let teh hundred flowers blossom" i say,
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Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
so the riper warmer version does not ameliorate the "thing" for the hater.
that is the material point.
thank you sir
that is the material point.
thank you sir
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
2019 Ilarria Irouleguy Blanc: A blend of Petit Manseng and Petit Courbu, each with just a little bit of skin contact (less than a day). Dry or at least dry-ish. Bought this from Chambers Street, and the blurb on their site is spot-on. They call the wine round, and it is. But it's not tiring to drink. I'd use it for the same dishes as a southern Rhone white. And it's a lot more interesting and pleasant than many of those. I have no experience aging this wine, but Chambers Street says that it does, so I've tucked a couple away. Another example of why it's so great to be a wine drinker today, runaway pricing on a few "elite" wines notwithstanding.
1999 Fontodi Chianti Riserva Vigna del Sorbo: On one hand, this wine had no roasted or very dark fruited flavors, like one can find in some modern and/or overdone Chianti. On the other hand, the barrel elevage has greatly marked the wine at 20+ years old. There is richness of fruit without vibrancy, and the acid remains tamped down on the palate by the barrel character. I can't recall ever having a Chianti raised in French barrels that I liked. I didn't know when drinking that this wine also has about 10% Cabernet Sauvignon, but that makes sense in retrospect. The fruit character of the wine was more like older Cab than what I think of as Chianti. This is one of those wines that's "well made," but not for me. If these grapes saw concrete and the Cab was cut, this could probably be a remarkable wine. (Although, to be fair to Fontodi, it's not like the market is rejecting their version. But this is an international wine, not a Chianti.)
1999 Fontodi Chianti Riserva Vigna del Sorbo: On one hand, this wine had no roasted or very dark fruited flavors, like one can find in some modern and/or overdone Chianti. On the other hand, the barrel elevage has greatly marked the wine at 20+ years old. There is richness of fruit without vibrancy, and the acid remains tamped down on the palate by the barrel character. I can't recall ever having a Chianti raised in French barrels that I liked. I didn't know when drinking that this wine also has about 10% Cabernet Sauvignon, but that makes sense in retrospect. The fruit character of the wine was more like older Cab than what I think of as Chianti. This is one of those wines that's "well made," but not for me. If these grapes saw concrete and the Cab was cut, this could probably be a remarkable wine. (Although, to be fair to Fontodi, it's not like the market is rejecting their version. But this is an international wine, not a Chianti.)
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
what dishes are those? still trying to figure that out (as well as for nothrern rhone whites)
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
One great pairing is brandade. Also various seafood soups/stews, especially those in a more robust style. You may want wines with a lighter mouthfeel for those, but well balanced southern white Rhones work for me. That Ilarria would also work with a nicoise salad and other tuna or olive-based dishes.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
my benchmark, at least recently, for robust seafood soups/stews is maestracci 'e prove' blanc, and i don't think we are far apart here.