Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Surprised to hear of a Riesling with red strawberry notes, maybe I'm just too chromatically suggestioned.
CWD: What did you drink last night (or whenever)?
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Surprised to hear of a Riesling with red strawberry notes, maybe I'm just too chromatically suggestioned.
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
2020 Hofgut Falkenstein Krettnacher Euchariusberg Riesling Kabinett “Kugel Peter” (AP 12)
Self-care when I opened this one the other night. This bottle is even better than the one in January. Cool fruit and spice and minty herbs that are driven home on the zingy palate in true Kabi form. I love the wines from this plot.
Self-care when I opened this one the other night. This bottle is even better than the one in January. Cool fruit and spice and minty herbs that are driven home on the zingy palate in true Kabi form. I love the wines from this plot.
Well maybe it's just personal terminology, but I think I've heard others with similar experiences. Definitely not the full-on deep red berries you find in red wine, but something in that direction. And if memory serves correctly, I've regularly gotten these notes in Erdener Treppchen wines, maybe Ürziger Würzgarten as well.
Think of it as fragrant ripeness past the cool crisp 'lemon-lime' citrus flavors but not as far as the golden rich mango-apricot flavors.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
trademark Erden, and occasionally Urzig, with some age!
if the diatonic scale is indeed your comfort zone though, you could get away with white currant complicated by zesty citrus and rich pollinated flower scent, but then no one will have any idea what you are talking about, except on the jeebus board.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
My motto is Do or Diatonic
Larry Stein
Larry Stein
An Edmunds St. John bottle that said "drink", not the usual "drink or hold". It was tremendous. Balanced and complex. Bacon, olives, garrigue, all the things I love in Syrah.
Thanks, Steve!
Thanks, Steve!
Steve Edmunds
Steve Edmunds
wonder if I've got any bottles left? Can't remember last time I tried it
Over the last couple of days ...
Vacheron 2020 Rose was really nice while we sat on the porch on a very warm day.
Zilliken 2005 Saarburger Rausch Beerenauslese was opened because the bottle was leaking. There were signs of what might be there in a bottle that is in better shape.
Markus Heeb 2016 Wolfer Goldbrube Kabinett was in a nice place.
Bastgen 2002 Bauneberger Juffer Sonnenuhr Goldkap Spätlese (A.P. 09 03, Bernkastler Ring auction wine) was brilliant. Peaches and tropical fruits mellowed by time in the bottle.
Vacheron 2020 Rose was really nice while we sat on the porch on a very warm day.
Zilliken 2005 Saarburger Rausch Beerenauslese was opened because the bottle was leaking. There were signs of what might be there in a bottle that is in better shape.
Markus Heeb 2016 Wolfer Goldbrube Kabinett was in a nice place.
Bastgen 2002 Bauneberger Juffer Sonnenuhr Goldkap Spätlese (A.P. 09 03, Bernkastler Ring auction wine) was brilliant. Peaches and tropical fruits mellowed by time in the bottle.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
2005 Pepiere Granite de Clisson: Needed 20-30 minutes to wake up, initially showed tired. But wake up it did. People often say that older Muscadet tastes like Chablis, and there's that element here, but this also still tastes like Muscadet. Which is good. The idea that you should, for example, buy and age Beaujolais so that it can eventually taste like Burgundy has always struck me as odd. Just buy Burgundy. This wine is holding well and has rewarded cellaring. I'll be surprised if it gets better still, but my basis for saying so is pretty scant.
2016 La Porte Saint Jean Saumur Les Cormiers: I picked this up from Chambers Street after seeing some favorable references on this bored. This is one of the several domaines related to Clos Rougeard -- here, Sylvain Dittiere is Charly Foucault's son-in-law. I haven't followed Domaine du Collier or Guiberteau closely enough to have informed opinions, but this wine was pretty impressive. It had the purity and depth of fruit that you'd look for in Clos Rougeard. It wasn't a knock-off, or attempted knock-off, though. The wine was interesting and delicious on its own merits. I don't drink a lot of Cab Franc and usually just assume that cellaring of Baudry will suffice. I don't see this wine as a long distance runner, like Baudry can be, but I'd be glad to drink it again.
2016 La Porte Saint Jean Saumur Les Cormiers: I picked this up from Chambers Street after seeing some favorable references on this bored. This is one of the several domaines related to Clos Rougeard -- here, Sylvain Dittiere is Charly Foucault's son-in-law. I haven't followed Domaine du Collier or Guiberteau closely enough to have informed opinions, but this wine was pretty impressive. It had the purity and depth of fruit that you'd look for in Clos Rougeard. It wasn't a knock-off, or attempted knock-off, though. The wine was interesting and delicious on its own merits. I don't drink a lot of Cab Franc and usually just assume that cellaring of Baudry will suffice. I don't see this wine as a long distance runner, like Baudry can be, but I'd be glad to drink it again.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Thanks for this note, Jim. I still have a couple bottles so nice to know they're drinking fine.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
For years I thought the 05 Clisson was the least Muscadet-like of the series, but have since corrected the error of my ways: it is the least Pépière-like. It's broader, with warmer fruit flavors, and less marine influence. Then I proceeded to dismiss the 05 as not a good pairing for oysters, once again exposing my ignorance: while not suitable for the Belon from Maine (a classic with Pépière and Briords), it does great with the Kumamoto. In other words, all is well. (Except when you get a premoxed bottle).
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
I agree that the 05 has warmer vintage character, but, as you say, still within the Muscadet idiom. I haven't drunk many of my aging Clisson, but look forward to working on a more informed view.
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
Pascaline put me onto Sylvain Dittiere a few years ago, think the Last Days of Rouge Tomate NYC, and I have been quietly opening and socking away a few bottles here and there since. He makes excellent reds and whites. And you are right, Jim, that they are distinctly his own.
As these things go, prices have started to rise as the word spreads
As these things go, prices have started to rise as the word spreads
This was some pretty weird shit. Turbid and cloudy in the glass. It's very yeasty and cidery on the palate; tasted almost over-fermented. A little stomach churning, to be honest.
I always try to keep an open-mind, and I've liked a lot of the natural wines one can find peddled in the Bay Area, but this was just a touch too natty and vivant for me to hang with.
I always try to keep an open-mind, and I've liked a lot of the natural wines one can find peddled in the Bay Area, but this was just a touch too natty and vivant for me to hang with.
I was just really caught off guard by the Ginglinger. It was extremely cidery and yeasty. Just plain strange. And I'm sure the bottle this came from was not flawed.
Anyway, this wine is not in my wheelhouse (and I am generally pretty open-minded about natural wines, even the ones I find challenging. This was just too much for me).
That makes sense. Thank you Mark.
On the other hand, the 2019 Guion Cuvee Domaine my buddy got was crushing it tonight, per usual
Though the California mark-up was a little startling. My buddy bought a bottle at the retail price (without the corkage markup), and it is basically 2x what CSW sells it for.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
Thank you to Jayson, a gentleman and a comrade, for opening this. Easily as good as I would have expected any vintage of the fancier Cuvee Tardive to be at 20+ years. Fleshy, but intricately delineated and fresh; red-plummy with a persistent citric lift. Shockingly good after five days, never really going tertiary. (Please rotate your electronic display 90 degrees clockwise).
