Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
what about an itch to buy a st joseph?
CWD: What did you drink last night (or whenever)?
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what about an itch to buy a st joseph?
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
he isn't, but he plays a guy who is, on TV
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
That might be a slight exaggeration. I do generally prefer limestone-grown Chenin but dabble with Schist.
Salil Benegal
Salil Benegal
No itch, as I'll still buy the gonon sj whenever I can, and I like Faury's regular a lot.
Salil Benegal
Salil Benegal
No itch, as I'll still buy the gonon sj whenever I can, and I like Faury's regular a lot.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
2021 Phelan Farms Poulsard: My first California Poulsard. This is from a new Raj Parr project. Vineyard is outside Cambria on the Central Coast. I believe the vineyard was Pinot Noir and Chard, but has been largely budded over to varieties like Trousseau, Mencia, Savagnin, and Poulsard. This was a very credible Poulsard -- I didn't drink the wine blind, so can't say for sure, but I'm pretty confident I'd have gotten the variety blind. Clean, no overt reduction like you can sometimes find in young Poulsard. Not overdone. I'm not sure I really picked up on any terroir-driven differences from a Jura wine. I was mostly enjoying, not analyzing. Would be interesting to taste this in a lineup of Jura Poulsards. Not for ranking, or to see if it could slip by unnoticed, but to see how it differs across a group of solid Jura Poulsards. The pricing is a little ambitious ($59), but recommended for the curious and Jura fans.
This was delicious. Zippy, brisk acidity balanced with ripe fruit (kind of reminded me of supremely delicious limeade).
I ended up buying more 2021 Senior and some 2021 Neuenberg after having this last night. It was just so good and tasty (at least to my palate).
I'm definitely keeping my eye out for more 2021 Lauers being released.
I ended up buying more 2021 Senior and some 2021 Neuenberg after having this last night. It was just so good and tasty (at least to my palate).
I'm definitely keeping my eye out for more 2021 Lauers being released.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
Yule, Flatiron has/had then in SF.
I purchased my Lauers from Flatiron SF, but I think they got cleaned out this weekend because of their sale. I was able to snag the last of their 2021 Neuenberg from them, but 2021 Stirn and Kern and the Kupp pradikats are gone now.
I was a little too slow on the draw when the Lauer offer came in (though I'm pretty content with having the Senior -- it really is a delicious wine that suits my palate well).
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
I agree the pricing is aggressive. Parr for the course. (Although some of the Sandhi wines are exceptions.). That said, it’s pretty easy to spend $45-60 or more on Jura Poulsard these days. Perhaps the Phelan Farms will be proof of concept for less pricy projects.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
I don't want to be argumentative (get enough of that in my day job), but Zev's portfolio is a good example of how Poulsard (and the Jura generally) has gotten kind of pricy (or ridiculously pricy, in some cases):
Domaine de Miroirs -- Good luck. $500+.
Domaine de la Pinte -- You can get the base Poulsard for about $30, but it sells through quickly. Their single plot Poulsard is $45+ and also hard to find.
Domaine l'Octavin -- You're paying $50+ and the wines are snapped up quickly. Also super-natty. Not a great personal track record, but not extensive.
Domaine de Buronfosse -- I don't think they make a straight Poulsard. Wines pretty much $45+ now, and sell quickly.
Domaine Bourdy -- Don't make a Poulsard. Their red blend is $30ish.
Bruyere & Houillon -- $250+.
OK, if you think Cali Poulsard's initial pricing comps should be Miroirs or Bruyere & Houillon, I'm not sure how to respond to that.
But I see a lot more genuine Poulsard in Zev's portfolio than what you have listed above and while quantities are limited - Jura is a pretty small place - I have purchased and enjoyed a number of them for $30 or less. BTW, I've really enjoyed Octavin but YMMV. Plus, there are other importers. Rosenthal brings Gahier and we found magnums of Trousseau and Poulsard not long ago for sub $60.
But I see a lot more genuine Poulsard in Zev's portfolio than what you have listed above and while quantities are limited - Jura is a pretty small place - I have purchased and enjoyed a number of them for $30 or less. BTW, I've really enjoyed Octavin but YMMV. Plus, there are other importers. Rosenthal brings Gahier and we found magnums of Trousseau and Poulsard not long ago for sub $60.
maybe there are two points to bear in mind here?
1, i thought it brave of jim to admit to teh price of that wine. although i winced, i also thought, why not? for shit and giggles i'd be curious to try that shit once, even if the tariff did feel a little rapey.
2, then i looked at teh list of comparators. having been fortunate enough to have reasonable access to even teh most nose bleedy at close to release prices, teh fat brain kind of exploded. talking about monetary value in relation to this shit has clearly stopped being of much relevance. at least for now.
stretching that last point for a moment, the 2021 version of teh fratelli alessandria verduno pelaverga speziale is a nice reminder of how much fun can be acquired in this genre without even coming close to breaking teh bank. weightless, peppery, and with a color to die for, if this shit doesn't bring a smile to your face, i don't want to know you.
(for those keeping scores, this version is less chubby then the 20, and though i admit to totally relying on memory here, strikes me as zippier, fresher and longer than teh 19).
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Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
I don't see any other Jura producers on Zev's web page. Maybe I missed one.
I wasn't suggesting that a new release California Poulsard is comparable to Miroirs (never had it, heard good things) or Bruyere-Houillon (had it, suspect the pricing would be much lower without the second name). But the fact that those wines are 4 to 10 times the price (or more) is relevant.
I also have enjoyed sub-$30 Poulsard over the years. Used to be able to buy Puffeney for less than $30. Overnoy at that price was before my time, but I did pay less than $50. Alas, those days are largely over. I'm not glad about it, but that's the way it is.
Nice score on Gahier. I like his wines and less than $60 for mags is a great price.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
Amen. I mentioned the price because I wanted to point out that it was ambitious. Fortunately, I'm able to spend a little extra for a curiosity when the vibe is right. Here, I'm glad I did.
Have a bottle of that Alessandria and look forward to trying it. (Although even that's creeping up. Near $30 in the Bay Area.)
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
The two sons took over in 2016. Went to a tasting with one of them in 2020 and bought a handful of bottles to try at home. Generally speaking, the wines I tried were lighter and more volatile. Seemed geared towards the bistro crowd who think flawed equates with honest. Won't be buying any more.
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
Sad to get further confirmation.
Peter Creasey
Peter Creasey
Santa Cruz Mountain Vineyard Branciforte Creek Vineyard Pinot Noir '11 is drinking wonderfully. Ken (Burnap) and Jeff (Emery) have always excelled with their Pinots and this bottling is another fine example of how well they age. Minimal sediment, generous aromatics, still solid color, full body and fruit, nicely mellow but with good life left. [E]
Excellent pairing with stir-fried chicken and mixed vegetables, then oatmeal cookie and strawberries.
. . . . . . Pete
Excellent pairing with stir-fried chicken and mixed vegetables, then oatmeal cookie and strawberries.
. . . . . . Pete