Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
The older ones were better, presumably because at some point he realized most people don't care.
CWD: What did you drink last night (or whenever)?
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The older ones were better, presumably because at some point he realized most people don't care.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
O, I don't know how to read this. If it is as you say, does that mean he thereafter makes it to please himself, or that he follows a formula and the results be damned, or something else?
Last night I had my final bottle of 2010 Texier Pergaud Brézème VS. It showed younger and fresher than the previous bottle from several months ago (which had led me to think the last bottle should be drunk soonish).
The previous bottle leaned on evolved porky highed-toned floral flavors, but last night there was deeper firmer fruit, while also exhibiting plenty of aged harmony.
Bottle variation is a fascinating thing. But either way, all delicious, and a pleasure to drink.
The previous bottle leaned on evolved porky highed-toned floral flavors, but last night there was deeper firmer fruit, while also exhibiting plenty of aged harmony.
Bottle variation is a fascinating thing. But either way, all delicious, and a pleasure to drink.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Pardon the opacity. To put it another way, I imagine it takes much more effort (hygiene, sorting, barrel maintenance, etc.) to make a less faulty natural wine, so when the buying public doesn't penalize winemakers for making faulty wines, perhaps some of them relax and let the bacteria fall where they may. Emmanuel Giboulot complained that when hipster somms at natural wine fairs don't detect VA in his wines, they ask how much SO2 he uses, so virtue goes unrewarded while carelessness goes unpunished. Métras seems to me to have become more faulty after the vintages Pavel mentioned (or maybe I started noticing it more). If so, prices show that the public absolutely doan care.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
2012 Baudry Chinon Clos Guillot: In an early-ish drinking window. Open and relatively fruit driven (emphasis on "relatively"). I've tended to think of Clos Guillot as an earlier drinking Baudry cuvee because it's younger vines, but that may not be correct. Wouldn't be surprised if this wine still drinks well in 2033.
Christophe Mignon Rose Pur Meunier: A 2011 disgorgement. This has been in my home cellar for a long while. I tend not to open Champagne just for myself (my wife doesn't imbibe), and it never seemed like the right moment to bring a Pinot Meunier Rose to a dinner. So, I finally drank it at home. Really hung in there. Pristine fruit, some soil. Perhaps not a whole lot going on, but what it does, it still does very well.
Christophe Mignon Rose Pur Meunier: A 2011 disgorgement. This has been in my home cellar for a long while. I tend not to open Champagne just for myself (my wife doesn't imbibe), and it never seemed like the right moment to bring a Pinot Meunier Rose to a dinner. So, I finally drank it at home. Really hung in there. Pristine fruit, some soil. Perhaps not a whole lot going on, but what it does, it still does very well.
georg lauer
georg lauer
As somebody I know pretty well said (only half in jest I think): If something goes wrong with a barrel, instead of tossing it as we did before, we just send it to raw wine fair and increase the price, with great success.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
2006 Castell'in Villa Chianti Classico: Needed an hour to open up, but then had just about everything I'm looking for in a Chianti. If I'm picking nits, I might like the fruit a little more red, but I think this wine probably has that character, and just needs another five years. I use offsite storage, so aging wine isn't free, and it can be a little daunting to think about how much I've actually "paid" for some wines. But these Chiantis are worth it to me.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
2006 Villa de Geggiano riserva had nothing red either, but was excellent.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Thanks. Clear now.
Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
to be clear, I was being the usual wiseass, knowing how much you'd "appreciate" oak being powerful enough to overwhelm VA
but Jeff tasted the wines with me - perhaps he picked up on VA in all the bottles. I am definitely less sensitive. Been trained on '66 la miss and la tour haut brion.
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
Lest this esteemed group has forgotten how good this wine can be, I bring you the youthful peak of 2019 Rollin PV Sous Frétille. For those who prefer less fruit and more wine in their wine.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
I winced, so kudos.
Perhaps you're less sensitive to the milder garden variety (vinegary) acetic acid, but the less common ethyl acetate (aka nail polish remover) is so much stronger that I imagine it would be hard to miss.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
2018 Lulu Vigneron Cotes du Jura Sous le Cerisier: A down the middle Jura Chardonnay, and I mean that as a compliment. Especially in a riper vintage. This is what you expect in an ouille Jura Chard, and that's a good thing. Drinking well now, no reason to wait.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Used to really like their BB1 Savagnin when sold by Chambers a decade or so ago under the name Chais du Vieux Bourg.
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Lest this esteemed group has forgotten how good this wine can be, I bring you the youthful peak of 2019 Rollin PV Sous Frétille. For those who prefer less fruit and more wine in their wine.
I can never forget.
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
2021 really does buck the trend global warming has had on Mosel Kabinett. Of course, without global warming, who knows if a 2021 like vintage would have achieved necessary ripeness to make any decent wine? This is freakin’ brilliant and precise and taut chewy Domprobst Kabi from Christoph Schaefer. (And recall Himmelreich Kabi was the best young version I recall, reported upstream somewhere.) Complexity of this one is pretty mind boggling. So much so that I can’t imagine how the auction Kabi might even be at another level. Yikes.
Then there was another bottle of the 2018 Guímaro Camiño Real I opened for dinner with my wife’s aunt, uncle, and cousin last week, and needless to say, everyone was happy. Is there a better red for the price on the planet? And this pure perfectly balanced style of Mencia, no sense of wood, at the dinner table is just ideal for so many types of food, in our case Greek styled grilled chicken breast and salad. I really should buy this by the case. Well I would I suppose if I bought any wine by the case. Or any wine for that matter these day.
But forget about price. It’s not even the point. This is a red you could drink once a week and be a very happy wine geek.
But forget about price. It’s not even the point. This is a red you could drink once a week and be a very happy wine geek.
Odd Rydland
Odd Rydland
I grabbed what they had of Schaefer 21 Kabs at the Rieslinghaus in Bernkastel early October last year. Unfortunateley, it wasn't enough.