NWR: Stereo Disorder Question

Many Teslas are equipped with a pedestrian warning sound that activates when the car is moving slowly or in reverse - it simulates a running ICE.
 
OK, I totally fucked up with the car analogy, moving too fast.

I make my wine, and audio, decisions with my senses, not ideas and intellect. Applying standards of objective truth to inherently subjective experience is never a good idea.
 
Nothing demonstrandum. People who genuinely like the distortion introduced by vinyl can easily apply digital filters to introduce the same distortion, even to the point of adding pops and crackle if one so desires. The reason they don't is that it's not really about the sound. There are just some pleasures people get from the rituals and physicality of records much the same way you hear people argue against alternative wine closures on the grounds that there is some "romance" to the ritual of pulling and sniffing the cork (and dealing with the all-too-frequent cork-tainted wine).
 
in all this "tastes great" vs. "less filling" yelling back and forth, no one has mentioned that the album cover of vinyl offers a large enough palette to sell music and visual art all at the same time.

i just recently purchased 'bitches brew' on original vinyl for that very reason. oh yes, and it even sounds great. as it does on cd. i've got no horse in that race. i have 50+ year old vinyl that i purchased new that is same as it ever was. same as it ever was.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Nothing demonstrandum. People who genuinely like the distortion introduced by vinyl can easily apply digital filters to introduce the same distortion, even to the point of adding pops and crackle if one so desires. The reason they don't is that it's not really about the sound. There are just some pleasures people get from the rituals and physicality of records much the same way you hear people argue against alternative wine closures on the grounds that there is some "romance" to the ritual of pulling and sniffing the cork (and dealing with the all-too-frequent cork-tainted wine).
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you read by point backward.
 
Keith, have you ever actually listened to a high end vinyl setup? The way you are talking about all this suggests you haven't.

Since all stereos sound different, including those with digital front ends, what is your personal criteria for choosing between them? The most "accurate" audio reproduction? And how is that measured? Frequency curves, accuracy in dynamic output, speed control and associated tonal accuracy? Soundstage? All of the above? What if those conflict with each other in the system? Would you compare that to the actual live music or the recording of the actual live music? If the recording, would that be accuracy to the board, or the sound of the monitors in the studio? Which mastering, if many masterings?

Do you prefer the reproduction of a Benchmark, dcs, Naim, or Chord DAC? Do they all sound the same to you? Do you just pick the most "accurate"? How about how they interact with different amps, speakers, cables, etc., each with their own "accuracy"?

What kind of hifi setup do you actually have? How did you pick it?

Why would so many people be into audio, with all of its quirks and differences, if it was just simple matter of accuracy against objective measures? Are they really just trying to find the most accurate sounding system? If that is the case, why not just pick your system from this guy: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?reviews/ - just buy the cheapest "accurate" system and be done with it. Are the many many thousands of audiophiles who obsess about nuanced differences in sound between systems just fools? Why would so many, I would posit the majority of, audiophiles consider vinyl to be ultimately the best sounding medium?

And what if you actually sat down and listened to a bunch of great systems and just picked the one that you thought sounded best? Would you verify it is the most "accurate"?
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Karen Goetz:
keep it on wine if you can handle it...

Why don't you keep the subject on wine here..... hmmm? You really don't get how the economy is affecting us usual gifted fairies who resist the onslaught! Please get OFF the HiFi stuff and take it elsewhere.
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First, I’ve read and enjoyed many of your notes and comments thanks for your participation.

Two points:

1. I respect the other members here as a group that self-selects for brightness, sensitivity, and qualitative discernment; it’s these qualities that make discussion generally engaging and often useful. In addition, I’ve come to know many of the community personalities over periods of years to decades. For these reasons, I’d value a handful of responses here more than I would several pages of avatar-masked commentary on a theme-specific chat room - especially on a geeky topic like this one.

2. Granting the primary focus on wine, extraneous topics are floated here from time to time on diverse subjects, including - to name a few - summer reading, current TV shows, and individual professional achievement. Talmudic debates on arcane topics, with at best a tortured relationship to wine appreciation, are a (one might say charming) hallmark of WD. In this context, I’d hoped to be indulged in a one-time, off-topic inquiry, supposing it would be glossed over and ignored by most participants.

I hope these considerations get me off the hook, though I acknowledge your preference as a valid one.

Unrelated, I’ve been told that writing in all caps is equivalent to shouting online. I’d appreciate it if you wouldn’t shout at me publicly, except in an emergency. Biting sarcasm, on the other hand, and acerbic wit at my expense, are well within community norms. As I’m sure you know, you also have the option to PM me directly if you feel my behavior or speech merit special comment.
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Hello Ian,

Your behavior and speech always merit special comment, no? But I'll take my medicine in public w/o a PM.
And there was only one work in Caps so it was more of a sharp Ahem than actual shouting. Although it stirred up a lively bunch of ripostes, so not all is wasted. Glad we are still alive.

I also enjoy your wine notes. Just so you know your post made me laugh and I appreciate its slightly pointed thoughtfulness. I really do,

Crabby Karen
 
originally posted by robert ames:
in all this "tastes great" vs. "less filling" yelling back and forth, no one has mentioned that the album cover of vinyl offers a large enough palette to sell music and visual art all at the same time.

i just recently purchased 'bitches brew' on original vinyl for that very reason. oh yes, and it even sounds great. as it does on cd. i've got no horse in that race. i have 50+ year old vinyl that i purchased new that is same as it ever was. same as it ever was.
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I have that Miles album on vinyl, but have only looked at it once in a lifetime.

Anyhow, good point that I miss with digital media (though it is easy to point to CD productions with extensive documentation, at least in some classical albums). Me, I have neither the space for a large vinyl collection (my musical interests are voluminous and partly not supported by vinyl issues) nor the interest in dust management and the other minutiae that comes with vinyl, though I am aware of the beneficial effects coming with low order harmonic distortion (if you are so inclined), be it by pickups or tubes.

And as has been pointed out, it comes with a hefty price tag compared to a digital transistor rig of very good quality. To each his own. Perhaps there is a difference between being into audio and being into music? I don't know. Does wine taste better if it comes in heavier bottles? There are many elements at play here. Tactile elements being one of them. I know my brain is pretty easy to trick in many situations.

I've certainly spent quite some serious money on both, but seldom touch my vinyl collection which I've kept together with my old but reasonably competent player. Perhaps I'm lazy, but a great album on CD or hi rez streaming can still fire me up.
 
originally posted by BJ:
Keith, have you ever actually listened to a high end vinyl setup? The way you are talking about all this suggests you haven't.

Since all stereos sound different, including those with digital front ends, what is your personal criteria for choosing between them? The most "accurate" audio reproduction? And how is that measured? Frequency curves, accuracy in dynamic output, speed control and associated tonal accuracy? Soundstage? All of the above? What if those conflict with each other in the system? Would you compare that to the actual live music or the recording of the actual live music? If the recording, would that be accuracy to the board, or the sound of the monitors in the studio? Which mastering, if many masterings?

Do you prefer the reproduction of a Benchmark, dcs, Naim, or Chord DAC? Do they all sound the same to you? Do you just pick the most "accurate"? How about how they interact with different amps, speakers, cables, etc., each with their own "accuracy"?

What kind of hifi setup do you actually have? How did you pick it?

Why would so many people be into audio, with all of its quirks and differences, if it was just simple matter of accuracy against objective measures? Are they really just trying to find the most accurate sounding system? If that is the case, why not just pick your system from this guy: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?reviews/ - just buy the cheapest "accurate" system and be done with it. Are the many many thousands of audiophiles who obsess about nuanced differences in sound between systems just fools? Why would so many, I would posit the majority of, audiophiles consider vinyl to be ultimately the best sounding medium?

And what if you actually sat down and listened to a bunch of great systems and just picked the one that you thought sounded best? Would you verify it is the most "accurate"?
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So, after you've listened to high end vinyl on a high end vinyl system more than say five times, does the new high end vinyl not degrade anymore?
 
originally posted by Karen Goetz:
Your behavior and speech always merit special comment, no? ...
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Er ... thanks?

And there was only one work in Caps so it was more of a sharp Ahem than actual shouting.
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You're right, and I probably overreacted - a personal weakness. I also reflected afterwards on your reference to the economic stress many are experiencing now, and acknowledge that, between that and the protracted COVID-related isolation, our comfort refuges and safe spaces are especially important these days. I would be sorry if this thread or any of my posts in it made WD a less easy place for you to hang out, even briefly.

I also enjoy your wine notes. Just so you know your post made me laugh and I appreciate its slightly pointed thoughtfulness. I really do,

Crabby Karen
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You're the soul of graciousness.

Irritable Ian

P.S.: Did I happen to mention Talmudic debates before?
 
originally posted by Odd Rydland:
originally posted by robert ames:
in all this "tastes great" vs. "less filling" yelling back and forth, no one has mentioned that the album cover of vinyl offers a large enough palette to sell music and visual art all at the same time.

i just recently purchased 'bitches brew' on original vinyl for that very reason. oh yes, and it even sounds great. as it does on cd. i've got no horse in that race. i have 50+ year old vinyl that i purchased new that is same as it ever was. same as it ever was.
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I have that Miles album on vinyl, but have only looked at it once in a lifetime.

Anyhow, good point that I miss with digital media (though it is easy to point to CD productions with extensive documentation, at least in some classical albums). Me, I have neither the space for a large vinyl collection (my musical interests are voluminous and partly not supported by vinyl issues) nor the interest in dust management and the other minutiae that comes with vinyl, though I am aware of the beneficial effects coming with low order harmonic distortion (if you are so inclined), be it by pickups or tubes.

And as has been pointed out, it comes with a hefty price tag compared to a digital transistor rig of very good quality. To each his own. Perhaps there is a difference between being into audio and being into music? I don't know. Does wine taste better if it comes in heavier bottles? There are many elements at play here. Tactile elements being one of them. I know my brain are pretty easy to trick in many situations.

I've certainly spent quite some serious money on both, but seldom touch my vinyl collection which I've kept together with my old but reasonably competent player. Perhaps I'm lazy, but a great album on CD or hi rez streaming can still fire me up.
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Hi Odd, great thoughts. I want to be clear - I listen to a lot of both (as well as FM). I'm lucky to say both sides of my system sound awesome. Depending on the recording, I usually prefer one or the other, but on balance give the edge to vinyl (ultimately, quality of the recording in all its layers definitely dictate sound quality more than anything - there are lots of bad and great ones on both sides). I would say my digital and analog front ends are probably equal to each other quality wise (mid spec LP12 vs Naim nDAC), but the Linn is about 10x more expensive than the Naim. In my office system, the built in DAC on the UQ2 sounds better than the Rega Planar 2 in that system - roughly equal cost systems. But I listen to the Rega a lot, just because I like other aesthetics of vinyl as well, it's more convenient/easy, and I have a huge classical collection, very little of which has been digitized.

As many have said here, there are many other benefits of vinyl. I am a big fan of those. Sleeves, history, notes, etc. from vinyl are amazing time capsules. One of my favorite things to do is lose myself in those. The vinyl community is by far the nicest of all my hobby communities (sorry all, and I know I'm not always nice myself) but my local record shops are some of my favorite refuges in the city. The shared joy of a find, no matter what it is, is super fun. Talking music. Talking shows. Intergenerational. A resident rock sage in his 70s that has worked in record stores his whole life and is an encyclopedia of knowledge and a Gen Z pedant talking earnestly about groups long past (been there). The level of tweeking that goes on hunting for pressings. One of my specialties is old German ECMs - my first "project" was to get the first 100 - I still have five to go. Unfortunately, used vinyl has skyrocketed, and I'm not sure I would still pursue this the same way now - however, classical is still a great opportunity, lots of it, minty, beautiful pressings, beautiful sleeves and notes, so I buy a lot of it. I'm the "classical guy" in several of my shops. But I want to be clear - if I didn't think it sounded better, I wouldn't be nearly as earnest.

Storage - yes, a pain, but also fun - not that different than a library of real books. Mme L is accommodating. I'm at about 2,000 records, and that does take up space. My rock and jazz is in the ***********, classical upstairs in the guest room. I need my next bookshelf.

Dust control is by far my least favorite thing. I have an Okki Nokki, and do find cleaning new finds a relaxing part of my process, but in general a pain. For the three people still reading, crackle/pop is much typically reduced in higher end systems, but my latest LP12 mods have brought them to the fore and so I'm probably going to change out the stylus.

The other beauty of loving both analog and digital is maximum access to the catalogs. I love love love all the stuff on Tidal - I keep finding it - and especially newer stuff. I generally don't buy new vinyl based on environmental considerations (which is too bad because the recording and pressing quality of a lot of new stuff is sublime). But there is SO much music that has never made it to digital (esp jazz and classical) - if you are really into a certain thing you almost have to get vinyl just to get at many things. Having both is very complimentary.

I appreciate your comment about music vs audio - I think this is true for a lot of folks. For me, it just all goes together - I'm looking forward to upcoming Kenny Barron, Bill Frisell, and John Scofield shows, and loved the Mahler at the Seattle Symphony last week.

Thanks for listening.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by BJ:
Keith, have you ever actually listened to a high end vinyl setup? The way you are talking about all this suggests you haven't.

Since all stereos sound different, including those with digital front ends, what is your personal criteria for choosing between them? The most "accurate" audio reproduction? And how is that measured? Frequency curves, accuracy in dynamic output, speed control and associated tonal accuracy? Soundstage? All of the above? What if those conflict with each other in the system? Would you compare that to the actual live music or the recording of the actual live music? If the recording, would that be accuracy to the board, or the sound of the monitors in the studio? Which mastering, if many masterings?

Do you prefer the reproduction of a Benchmark, dcs, Naim, or Chord DAC? Do they all sound the same to you? Do you just pick the most "accurate"? How about how they interact with different amps, speakers, cables, etc., each with their own "accuracy"?

What kind of hifi setup do you actually have? How did you pick it?

Why would so many people be into audio, with all of its quirks and differences, if it was just simple matter of accuracy against objective measures? Are they really just trying to find the most accurate sounding system? If that is the case, why not just pick your system from this guy: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?reviews/ - just buy the cheapest "accurate" system and be done with it. Are the many many thousands of audiophiles who obsess about nuanced differences in sound between systems just fools? Why would so many, I would posit the majority of, audiophiles consider vinyl to be ultimately the best sounding medium?

And what if you actually sat down and listened to a bunch of great systems and just picked the one that you thought sounded best? Would you verify it is the most "accurate"?
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So, after you've listened to high end vinyl on a high end vinyl system more than say five times, does the new high end vinyl not degrade anymore?
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Hi Jonathan,

No - it does degrade, but with a lot more listenings. The big problem is buying old rock records played endlessly by kids with bad systems - those definitely are degraded. If you're a kid with 50 records and listen to Stairway to Heaven every day, sure, if you have a big collection you just aren't going to listen to something that many times, except for maybe a handful of records you love.
 
If it takes fifty plays, yeah that would do me. But I do listen to my cds many more times than once or twice. And I have a pretty big collection.
 
Oh yeah, I think 50 plays is fine, esp if the records are clean.

It's remarkable to think the each album side is about a 1/4 mile long. Typical cartridge travels 250 miles before it wears out.

My take big picture -
At more the entry/lower mid level, vinyl can sound very good, but not as good as good digital. There vinyl is primarily cool/interesting/historic/musically eclectic. At the higher level, vinyl shines as a source and can provide great musical delight.
 
i have vinyl that i bought over 50 years ago--early bob dylan comes to mind--also an encyclopedic collection of firesign theatre. of their 12 albums, i have 14. (there are solo albums by david ossman and phil austin that actually use the entire troupe).

these albums are as glitch free and pristine as when i bought them, and especially the firesign theatre has been listened to as the decades go by. with my 55-year-older ears the quality of the sound, the imaging, etc. is a good as it every was.

this on a thorens td160, nakamichi amp, and b&w loudspeakers. while this system is a mere pup compared to the hardware discussed here, if the records were actually worn, you would hear it on this system.
 
originally posted by BJ:
originally posted by Odd Rydland:
originally posted by robert ames:
in all this "tastes great" vs. "less filling" yelling back and forth, no one has mentioned that the album cover of vinyl offers a large enough palette to sell music and visual art all at the same time.

i just recently purchased 'bitches brew' on original vinyl for that very reason. oh yes, and it even sounds great. as it does on cd. i've got no horse in that race. i have 50+ year old vinyl that i purchased new that is same as it ever was. same as it ever was.
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I have that Miles album on vinyl, but have only looked at it once in a lifetime.

Anyhow, good point that I miss with digital media (though it is easy to point to CD productions with extensive documentation, at least in some classical albums). Me, I have neither the space for a large vinyl collection (my musical interests are voluminous and partly not supported by vinyl issues) nor the interest in dust management and the other minutiae that comes with vinyl, though I am aware of the beneficial effects coming with low order harmonic distortion (if you are so inclined), be it by pickups or tubes.

And as has been pointed out, it comes with a hefty price tag compared to a digital transistor rig of very good quality. To each his own. Perhaps there is a difference between being into audio and being into music? I don't know. Does wine taste better if it comes in heavier bottles? There are many elements at play here. Tactile elements being one of them. I know my brain are pretty easy to trick in many situations.

I've certainly spent quite some serious money on both, but seldom touch my vinyl collection which I've kept together with my old but reasonably competent player. Perhaps I'm lazy, but a great album on CD or hi rez streaming can still fire me up.
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Hi Odd, great thoughts. I want to be clear - I listen to a lot of both (as well as FM). I'm lucky to say both sides of my system sound awesome. Depending on the recording, I usually prefer one or the other, but on balance give the edge to vinyl (ultimately, quality of the recording in all its layers definitely dictate sound more than anything - there are lots of bad and great ones on both sides). I would say they are probably equal to each other quality wise (mid spec LP12 vs Naim nDAC), but the Linn is about 10x more expensive than the Naim. In my office system, the built in DAC on the UQ2 sounds better than the Rega Planar 2 in that system - roughly equal cost systems. But I listen to the Rega a lot, just because I like other aesthetics of vinyl as well, it's more convenient/easy, and I have a huge classical collection, very little of which has been digitized.

As many have said here, there are many other benefits of vinyl. I am a big fan of those. Sleeves, history, notes, etc. from vinyl are amazing time capsules. One of my favorite things to do is lose myself in those. The vinyl community is by far the nicest of all my hobby communities (sorry all, and I know I'm not always nice myself) but my local record shops are some of my favorite refuges in the city. The shared joy of a find, no matter what it is, is super fun. Talking music. Talking shows. Intergenerational. A resident rock sage in his 70s that has worked in record stores his whole life and is an encyclopedia of knowledge and a Gen Z pedant talking earnestly about groups long past (been there). The level of tweeking that goes on hunting for pressings. One of my specialties is old German ECMs - my first "project" was to get the first 100 - I still have five to go. Unfortunately, used vinyl has skyrocketed, and I'm not sure I would still pursue this the same way now - however, classical is still a great opportunity, lots of it, minty, beautiful pressings, beautiful sleeves and notes, so I buy a lot of it. I'm the "classical guy" in several of my shops. But I want to be clear - if I didn't think it sounded better, I wouldn't be nearly as earnest.

Storage - yes, a pain, but also fun - not that different than a library of real books. Mme L is accommodating. I'm at about 2,000 records, and that does take up space. My rock and jazz is in the ***********, classical upstairs in the guest room. I need my next bookshelf.

Dust control is by far my least favorite thing. I have an Okki Nokki, and do find cleaning new finds a relaxing part of my process, but in general a pain. For the three people still reading, crackle/pop is much typically reduced in higher end systems, but my latest LP12 mods have brought them to the fore and so I'm probably going to change out the stylus.

The other beauty of loving both analog and digital is maximum access to the catalogs. I love love love all the stuff on Tidal - I keep finding it - and especially newer stuff. I generally don't buy new vinyl based on environmental considerations (which is too bad because the recording and pressing quality of a lot of new stuff is sublime). But there is SO much music that has never made it to digital (esp jazz and classical) - if you are really into a certain thing you almost have to get vinyl just to get at many things. Having both is very complimentary.

I appreciate your comment about music vs audio - I think this is true for a lot of folks. For me, it just all goes together - I'm looking forward to upcoming Kenny Barron, Bill Frisell, and John Scofield shows, and loved the Mahler at the Seattle Symphony last week.

Thanks for listening.
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Let me know what the missing 5 ECMs are. I can keep an eye out for them in Europe and have a few myself (Pat Metheny, Terje Rypdal) currently on their way from Brazil) from back in the day.
 
When I was collecting vinyl, a couple of Berkeley stores imported ECM German pressings. I probably had 3 dozen or so titles. Only one or two were US pressings. I probably bought the US ones as sealed promo copies.
 
Larry, I think you're talking about Rick Ballard and Groove Yard. A total gem. I have a ton of his records with his cool gold label on the back. I have had many visits with him over the years.

ECM recordings and pressings are absolutely top flight. Their American pressings are actually superb and over time I've realized in general I prefer them. Robert Ludwig, a super culty sound engineer, did a lot of their masters, denoted by an RL on the deadwax.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by BJ:
originally posted by Odd Rydland:
originally posted by robert ames:
in all this "tastes great" vs. "less filling" yelling back and forth, no one has mentioned that the album cover of vinyl offers a large enough palette to sell music and visual art all at the same time.

i just recently purchased 'bitches brew' on original vinyl for that very reason. oh yes, and it even sounds great. as it does on cd. i've got no horse in that race. i have 50+ year old vinyl that i purchased new that is same as it ever was. same as it ever was.
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I have that Miles album on vinyl, but have only looked at it once in a lifetime.

Anyhow, good point that I miss with digital media (though it is easy to point to CD productions with extensive documentation, at least in some classical albums). Me, I have neither the space for a large vinyl collection (my musical interests are voluminous and partly not supported by vinyl issues) nor the interest in dust management and the other minutiae that comes with vinyl, though I am aware of the beneficial effects coming with low order harmonic distortion (if you are so inclined), be it by pickups or tubes.

And as has been pointed out, it comes with a hefty price tag compared to a digital transistor rig of very good quality. To each his own. Perhaps there is a difference between being into audio and being into music? I don't know. Does wine taste better if it comes in heavier bottles? There are many elements at play here. Tactile elements being one of them. I know my brain are pretty easy to trick in many situations.

I've certainly spent quite some serious money on both, but seldom touch my vinyl collection which I've kept together with my old but reasonably competent player. Perhaps I'm lazy, but a great album on CD or hi rez streaming can still fire me up.
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Hi Odd, great thoughts. I want to be clear - I listen to a lot of both (as well as FM). I'm lucky to say both sides of my system sound awesome. Depending on the recording, I usually prefer one or the other, but on balance give the edge to vinyl (ultimately, quality of the recording in all its layers definitely dictate sound more than anything - there are lots of bad and great ones on both sides). I would say they are probably equal to each other quality wise (mid spec LP12 vs Naim nDAC), but the Linn is about 10x more expensive than the Naim. In my office system, the built in DAC on the UQ2 sounds better than the Rega Planar 2 in that system - roughly equal cost systems. But I listen to the Rega a lot, just because I like other aesthetics of vinyl as well, it's more convenient/easy, and I have a huge classical collection, very little of which has been digitized.

As many have said here, there are many other benefits of vinyl. I am a big fan of those. Sleeves, history, notes, etc. from vinyl are amazing time capsules. One of my favorite things to do is lose myself in those. The vinyl community is by far the nicest of all my hobby communities (sorry all, and I know I'm not always nice myself) but my local record shops are some of my favorite refuges in the city. The shared joy of a find, no matter what it is, is super fun. Talking music. Talking shows. Intergenerational. A resident rock sage in his 70s that has worked in record stores his whole life and is an encyclopedia of knowledge and a Gen Z pedant talking earnestly about groups long past (been there). The level of tweeking that goes on hunting for pressings. One of my specialties is old German ECMs - my first "project" was to get the first 100 - I still have five to go. Unfortunately, used vinyl has skyrocketed, and I'm not sure I would still pursue this the same way now - however, classical is still a great opportunity, lots of it, minty, beautiful pressings, beautiful sleeves and notes, so I buy a lot of it. I'm the "classical guy" in several of my shops. But I want to be clear - if I didn't think it sounded better, I wouldn't be nearly as earnest.

Storage - yes, a pain, but also fun - not that different than a library of real books. Mme L is accommodating. I'm at about 2,000 records, and that does take up space. My rock and jazz is in the ***********, classical upstairs in the guest room. I need my next bookshelf.

Dust control is by far my least favorite thing. I have an Okki Nokki, and do find cleaning new finds a relaxing part of my process, but in general a pain. For the three people still reading, crackle/pop is much typically reduced in higher end systems, but my latest LP12 mods have brought them to the fore and so I'm probably going to change out the stylus.

The other beauty of loving both analog and digital is maximum access to the catalogs. I love love love all the stuff on Tidal - I keep finding it - and especially newer stuff. I generally don't buy new vinyl based on environmental considerations (which is too bad because the recording and pressing quality of a lot of new stuff is sublime). But there is SO much music that has never made it to digital (esp jazz and classical) - if you are really into a certain thing you almost have to get vinyl just to get at many things. Having both is very complimentary.

I appreciate your comment about music vs audio - I think this is true for a lot of folks. For me, it just all goes together - I'm looking forward to upcoming Kenny Barron, Bill Frisell, and John Scofield shows, and loved the Mahler at the Seattle Symphony last week.

Thanks for listening.
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Let me know what the missing 5 ECMs are. I can keep an eye out for them in Europe and have a few myself (Pat Metheny, Terje Rypdal) currently on their way from Brazil) from back in the day.
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Wow, Oswaldo, what a kind offer. I am due to do a review/update of my list - I'll do that this weekend. Thanks!
 
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