TN: Older Beaujolais II (Jun 25, 2022)

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Claude Kolm:

originally posted by MLipton:

OK, Claude's point notwithstanding, I have to question the motivation for aging a B-V for over a decade. These wines aren't made for the long haul, so what's the point beyond simple curiosity?

There are terroirs in Beaujolais-Villages that can age, I believe (it wasn't all that long ago that Regnié was BV), but I don't think they are anywhere dominant in Jadot's version.

But that also recalls a column long ago by Frank Prial or Eric Asimov about coming across an old, long-forgotten bottle of Beaujolais Nouveau that had aged remarkably well.

Yes, if this were a Brun L’Ancien, I wouldn’t have opened my claptrap. But Jadot’s B-V, a wine I opened on my first date with my future wife, is well known to me (lessee: that would likely have been an ‘85) and on many occasions since, is no Cuvée L’Ancien.

No Cote de Brouilly at all.

 

[Jayson Cohen]

Was it an *ahem* *scoff* root day?

 

[Brad Kane]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Was it an *ahem* *scoff* root day?

It had to have been.

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Was it an *ahem* *scoff* root day?

Most likely. A couple of things improved over 2 days but lots of stupid wine nevertheless.

 

[BJ]

Did I miss notes from round 1?

Fun! But sounded kinda disappointing. To me, this represented a bit of a lost era in Beaujolais - the uber cuvees, the "discovery" of naturelle, ie brett and VA by the younger generation.

I'm sure the Brun MaV just had issues - that is an incredible wine otherwise.

 

[Jayson Cohen]

Round 1 was the . Read VFTC or infer from some posts elsewhere.

 

[BJ]

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[BJ]

I have three cases of 09 Tardive, is that good?

 

[Jeff Grossman]

View From The Cellar.

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

originally posted by BJ:
I have three cases of 09 Tardive, is that good?

what's good - the wine, or that you have three cases?

Depends on what you like, dude. The group loved it. I prefer more transparency and evolution on the palate. To its credit, it stayed fresh for five days after opening, but remained monolithic.

 

[Pavel Tchichikov]

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
I'm not surprised most of the Lapierre didn't show so well. As has been noted here, the domaine dipped in the years after Marcel's passing. In my experience the Lapierre style doesn't generally benefit from much aging, but 2011 and the few years after were not strong.

I am a surprised at the reception to the Foillard with modest age. These have typically performed better for me. I understand Claude's position that to some palates the wines don't improve. But it's been pretty rare for a Foillard to fall apart or take a big step back over 10-15 years in my experience.

Jim, allegorically speaking this whole genre of Beaujolais is like a giant corporate takeover (that violates an antitrust law in the process, just to add spice to the fable) of Debize and Ducroux having gone horribly wrong. Prices doubled and product fucked up.

 

[Jim Hanlon]

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:

originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
I'm not surprised most of the Lapierre didn't show so well. As has been noted here, the domaine dipped in the years after Marcel's passing. In my experience the Lapierre style doesn't generally benefit from much aging, but 2011 and the few years after were not strong.

I am a surprised at the reception to the Foillard with modest age. These have typically performed better for me. I understand Claude's position that to some palates the wines don't improve. But it's been pretty rare for a Foillard to fall apart or take a big step back over 10-15 years in my experience.

Jim, allegorically speaking this whole genre of Beaujolais is like a giant corporate takeover (that violates an antitrust law in the process, just to add spice to the fable) of Debize and Ducroux having gone horribly wrong. Prices doubled and product fucked up.

Maybe we'll gather some Bay Area Disorderlies for a fucked up Beaujolais dinner. As I said, I've not seen Foillard be really flawed or fall apart. I'll admit I'm not super sensitive to VA. So if that's the beef there, then it may be a sensory thing. Lapierre is another story, though I think 19 and 20 are back to happy early drinkability. Whether that's worth $35-45 is YMMV.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by BJ:
I have three cases of 09 Tardive, is that good?

I really like where that wine is at now. I'd start drinking it, though. In fact, I have and am down to 1-2 bottles.

 

[Jayson Cohen]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by BJ:
I have three cases of 09 Tardive, is that good?

I really like where that wine is at now. I'd start drinking it, though. In fact, I have and am down to 1-2 bottles.

I know you like things younger than I do typically, but I thought it needed time still. Griffe ‘09 too but damn that wine is fabulous. The older the Couderts got in Bojo Round I, the more truly open and layered and seemingly fruit-forward they became. Time is the friend I think you need to embrace to cure your “never a good time to open Coudert” experience in the past.

 

[Larry Stein]

Just another older Beaujolais (2011) that just sucks. Actually, not in the least. Last of 4 bottles and each has been terrific.

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by Larry Stein:
Just another older Beaujolais (2011) that just sucks. Actually, not in the least. Last of 4 bottles and each has been terrific.

Shit! I thought Cory gave me all of those from your allocation.

Mark Lipton

 

[BJ]

What is that? It looks Special.

 

[Larry Stein]

Morgon “Côte du Py”, P-U-R. Selection Massale imported their wines for a number of years. They no longer do.

 

[Larry Stein]

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Larry Stein:
Just another older Beaujolais (2011) that just sucks. Actually, not in the least. Last of 4 bottles and each has been terrific.

Shit! I thought Cory gave me all of those from your allocation.

Mark Lipton

I wish I still had a bottle or two of 2007 P-U-R Tsuki-yomi. Hard to believe that was “only” Beaujolais-Villages. One of the best Beaujolais I’ve ever drank.

 

[Jim Hanlon]

originally posted by Larry Stein:

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by Larry Stein:
Just another older Beaujolais (2011) that just sucks. Actually, not in the least. Last of 4 bottles and each has been terrific.

Shit! I thought Cory gave me all of those from your allocation.

Mark Lipton

I wish I still had a bottle or two of 2007 P-U-R Tsuki-yomi. Hard to believe that was “only” Beaujolais-Villages. One of the best Beaujolais I’ve ever drank.

For me too. Very memorable wine.