Vacation wine: 2019 M Juillot Bourgogne rouge

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Well made wine, but weird - I typically like Juillot's traditionalism, but I would never guess this as a pinot - blind I would have guessed a superripe Beaujolais or even a Cotes du Rhone. I guess climate change is apace.
 
originally posted by BJ:
Vacation wine: 2019 M Juillot Bourgogne rougeWell made wine, but weird - I typically like Juillot's traditionalism, but I would never guess this as a pinot - blind I would have guessed a superripe Beaujolais or even a Cotes du Rhone. I guess climate change is apace.
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Welcome to much, but not all, of the 2019 vintage in Burgundy, especially for the reds. Even a d'Angerville Volnay 1er Cru I tried was jammy and overripe.
 
I haven't tasted any because I've been drowning in Spätburgunder the past 12 months. But I heard folks elsewhere going gaga over how well the 19 red Burgundies were showing. I guess it depends on preferences. And careful selection, of course...
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
I guess it depends on preferences. And careful selection, of course...
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Exactly. I know people who thought that 2003 was the greatest thing since 1947 (they had also been super-enthusiastic about 1990, a vintage that I always had mixed feelings about). OTOH, my ideal vintage, 1993, put many, many people off (but guess what, it now brings huge prices at auctions).

If your tastes run to mine, snap up all the 2017 reds you can -- it's the last reliably classic vintage before 2021, and given the very small quantities of 2021, they're going to be very difficult to obtain and very expensive (strong dollar notwithstanding).
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Welcome to much, but not all, of the 2019 vintage in Burgundy, especially for the reds.
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I am checking with my local cable provider for the upcoming 2020 Bourgogne rouge discussion episode, among these fine gentlemen
 
Claude, when you mention 2017 reds, do you mean here Bourgogne or French reds generally?

My vintage knowledge is pretty time warped and I haven't kept up.
 
BTW, I finished this wine last night with lamb/root vegetable braise leftovers and it was pretty good - not a combo I would typically like.
 
originally posted by BJ:
Claude, when you mention 2017 reds, do you mean here Bourgogne or French reds generally?

My vintage knowledge is pretty time warped and I haven't kept up.
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Bourgogne the region. Although I could probably say the same for many other parts of France -- when in shops in Paris and I've pointed out a very good St-Jo producer's 2018 at 15% stated alcohol and in another shop a very good Sancerre producer's 2019 rouge (I may be off by a vintage -- my memory isn't as good as it used to be) at 14.5%, the response in the shops was, well many others had alcohols that high but put lower numbers on the labels. What-about-ism isn't just for the US.

2021 is very promising from what I've tasted for those who like freshness and moderate alcohol, but quantities are minute. Also, look to Savoie and Jura where some producers are even coming in at less than 11% (not all are successful, but enough are to perhaps cause others to rethink).
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by BJ:
Claude, when you mention 2017 reds, do you mean here Bourgogne or French reds generally?

My vintage knowledge is pretty time warped and I haven't kept up.
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Bourgogne the region. Although I could probably say the same for many other parts of France -- when in shops in Paris and I've pointed out a very good St-Jo producer's 2018 at 15% stated alcohol and in another shop a very good Sancerre producer's 2019 rouge (I may be off by a vintage -- my memory isn't as good as it used to be) at 14.5%, the response in the shops was, well many others had alcohols that high but put lower numbers on the labels. What-about-ism isn't just for the US.

2021 is very promising from what I've tasted for those who like freshness and moderate alcohol, but quantities are minute. Also, look to Savoie and Jura where some producers are even coming in at less than 11% (not all are successful, but enough are to perhaps cause others to rethink).
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to muddy the waters, during the time of the tRump tariffs there were wines that were labelled 14.5% just to beat the tariff, as the tariff was for wines labelled 14% and lower. one distributor told me he had seen beaujolais nouveau labelled 14.5%

but yes, finding say, classically styled sancerre in the 2018, 19, and 20 vintages can be a challenge.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Also, look to Savoie and Jura where some producers are even coming in at less than 11% (not all are successful, but enough are to perhaps cause others to rethink).
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Altitude, picking earlier, or both?
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Also, look to Savoie and Jura where some producers are even coming in at less than 11% (not all are successful, but enough are to perhaps cause others to rethink).
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Altitude, picking earlier, or both?
 
originally posted by robert ames:

to muddy the waters, during the time of the tRump tariffs there were wines that were labelled 14.5% just to beat the tariff, as the tariff was for wines labelled 14% and lower. one distributor told me he had seen beaujolais nouveau labelled 14.5%
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These, for the most part, were wines purchased in France.

On the hot vintages, my experience is that 2018 and 2019 were super for the Chenin Blancs, pretty poor for Muscadet (flabby, alcoholic, overripe). OTOH, 2020 is a great vintage for Muscadet, IMO. Even the 5 and less bottles in the French supermarkets can be outstanding if one looks for vigneron bottlings, and especially those that are certified organic and/or biodynamic.
 
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Also, look to Savoie and Jura where some producers are even coming in at less than 11% (not all are successful, but enough are to perhaps cause others to rethink).
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Altitude, picking earlier, or both?
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I would guess altitude, but I'm not that tuned in to the situation there.
 
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