Moric Blaufränkisch

Rahsaan

Rahsaan
2017 Moric Blaufränkisch Reserve
Lovely wine that was perfect for dinner. Deep dark saturated berry flavors, a bit of spice and a bit of structure, but always fresh and crisp and nimble on the palate. This drinks well.

2013 Moric Blaufränkisch Lutzmannsburg Alte Reben
More of the dark saturated flavors, but here the fruit is more evolved and the structure is more integrated/harmonious (compared to the 17 Reserve). There is more tannic structure here, which at times is a touch coarse. At other times there is a nice suave grip to the texture as the deep fruit pulses. Overall it’s a very nice combination and a very nice bottle of wine.

I know folks have lots of views on whether these are overhyped/ageworthy, etc etc. I certainly can’t engage those debates, but I enjoyed my time with this.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
I've only tried one -- the 2016 Moric Blaufränkisch Reserve in January --, and it didn't do much for me.

Always like the basic bottling best. Not the reserve or fancy (and expensive) ones.
 
Sounds good. I thought the Reserve at 35 euros and the Lutzmannsburg at 84 euros were both fine value and neither felt overworked/overdone. But I can see how other expressions would also be useful and desirable.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:

I know folks have lots of views on whether these are overhyped/ageworthy, etc etc. I certainly can’t engage those debates, but I enjoyed my time with this.

On a previous plane of occupational existence, I got to taste/drink a lot of Blaufränkisch and I'd put the Moric wines at the top of my list of Austrian-wines-most-likely-to-evolve-in-the-cellar-that-I'd-want-to-have-a-pile-of. Overhyped? Maybe-probably, but in the same way that DRC, Lafite, Valentini, Lopez de Heredia, et al...are overhyped. The basic Moric bottling is still attainable at $30+ but Lutzmansburg and Velich's other single vineyards are aspirational bottles, trading for upwards of $125. Compared to Premier Cru Burgundy, that's entry-level with training wheels territory so I'm not going to whinge about it. Limited quantities produced + lots of people scrabbling around for them = diminishing quantities of Moric falling into the Cellar of Eden.

I'm okay with this -- Hannes Schuster of Weingut Rosi Schuster has long been Roland's acolyte/mentee and is doing amazing work, particularly with his resurrection of the white wine tradition on his side of the Neusiedlersee. Apparently, back in the late 1980s when the Austrian wine industry was pulling itself out of the hole dug by the ignominious diethelyne glycol incident, along with the quality control improvements required, they realized that to be taken seriously internationally, they needed to have red wines that would get attention on the worldwide market, and to properly promote them, it was important that they be associated with a specific region (worked for Napa and Bordeaux, right?) Burgenland was selected as this region, and massive amounts of money was allocated to emphasize Blaufränkisch, Zweigelt, and to a certain extent St Laurent were planted and the EU kicked in with scads of money to construct new, architecturally bitchin' wineries. Small amounts of Cabernet Sauvigon, Syrah, and Merlot were even planted to use in blends and make the wines safe for international buyers. The plan was successful and the world took notice and Austria (via Burgenland) was taken seriously by The World for its red wines, even though every somm and their mother were still focusing on Grüner Veltliner.

Well, Schuster worked closely with Velich at Moric and his wines are also low-intervention and terroir-focused that are extraordinary and more affordable. He's begun bucking the tide (and regional perceptions) by producing white wines that are as complex and ageworthy as his reds, using traditional techniques and from old Furmint and Grüner vines. It's inspired winemaking, not the edgy/funky natural experimental stuff (his white blends -- and he's got a bunch of them -- are worth tracking down, but you may need to travel to Sankt Margarethen to taste them).

I'm also fond of the work Franz Weninger (Blaufränkisch, and Kekfrankos from vineyards down the street in Hungary) is doing. I'm drinking a fair amount of wine from Günter and Regina Triebaumer as well (there are a number of Triebaumers in Burgenland, so make sure you get the right ones)--- their winemaking comes off as a little more mainstream in casual tasting but the wines have a purity to them (and are priced reasonably because the cognoscenti have only recently become aware of them).

-Eden (who once thought an umlaut's highest calling was in glorifying metal bands)(Grand Crü, dude!!)
 
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
I certainly can’t engage those debates...

Oh come on, take a stance!

Agreed. You (Rahsaan) have tasted most of the Moric cuvées, so why not say exactly what you think, which ones you enjoy, and why.
 
originally posted by mark e:
Agreed. You (Rahsaan) have tasted most of the Moric cuvées, so why not say exactly what you think, which ones you enjoy, and why.

I am pretty sure that the entirety of my Moric exposure is contained in the notes that started this thread. Hardly the basis for authoritative opinions beyond those bottles! But, I did enjoy them and was curious what conversation might emerge, in terms of thoughts for future drinking.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
But, I did enjoy them and was curious what conversation might emerge, in terms of thoughts for future drinking.

I too sometimes have thoughts about future drinking, albeit often with remembrances of drinks past. In general, I think I want to do more of it. The future stuff. Thinking about what's trickled through the pie hole in my salad days makes me feel more melancholy than winsome. Oh sure, the sensory aspects of what I've drunk are all well and good, but then I start thinking about drinking all that cheap Cornas and reasonably priced Vosne-Romanée and it dawned on me that what I guzzled as a mere kid, I coulda traded today for a brand spankin' new Rivian pickup truck or a Porsche or something. I mean, I had the Clape and the Verset but I drank it all up before the Allemand left. At least I still have a bottle of La T“che from my birth year but Jesus, its net worth is higher than mine! I got blasted on a bottle of Caymus one night and made the La T“che the beneficiary of my life insurance policy, so now, if I die first, the La T“che will be able to afford its own bottle of Leroy (but maybe only 1er, probably not Grand Cru) and live happily ever after on the proceeds. Or would that be oeno-incest, and has the Supreme Court ruled on that yet?

So yeah, I think about future drinking, but as I hinted at above, it melds with past drinking in some weird Phillip K. Dick-like dystopial nightmarish feedback loop that had he written it, he would have snatched the paper from the typewriter and balled it up and tossed it in the direction of the wastebasket. These days, I'm living for the moment. The first moment tonight was a 2010 Lanessan. Pretty good for a $30 bottle of Bordeaux. I mean, $30? If it were Burgundy they'd call it "suburban Beaujolais" and laugh it right out of the commune. But it had everything you'd want in Bordeaux, except maybe cachet. Earthy and herbal, nothing new world about it, coulda probably used another couple of years in the cellar, but I was feeling impetuous. Running with that feeling, the next moment spurred on a 2016 Terrazze Dell'Etna Ciuri, calling itself a "Vino Bianco" but really it's Nerello Mascalesa. It's overtly minerally (reminds me of emeralds) and so fresh and pure that just drinking a glass makes me feel as if any sins lolling about from previous lifetimes are being absolved as I drink (but maybe not the Sin of Bloviation). There's a touch of banana and cantaloupe on the long finish, and even though I dislike bananas with a passion normally reserved only for long-dead relationships and the Mercedes Benz 300SL roadster (keep your goddam gullwings to yourself, buster!) but I do enjoy a nice cantaloupe so it all balances out, just as the wine does with its delicious acidity countering the fruit and that volcanic minerality (I wish I had a sardine right now, instead of just a computer screen.) The wine's finish lingers for about a minute, which is roughly 60 times the amount of time I waste pondering why I didn't buy a 300SL Roadster back when they were only the price of a mixed case of DRC.

-Eden (oddly appropriate isn't it, that the politburo has placed an ADD reminder right there under the preview box in the reply section)
 
I have in the past thought that Lanessan was perhaps a best bargain of some vintages. I recently had the 2005 and it was delightful in the traditional Bordeaux style.

. . . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Eden Mylunsch:
originally posted by Rahsaan:

I know folks have lots of views on whether these are overhyped/ageworthy, etc etc. I certainly can’t engage those debates, but I enjoyed my time with this.
Apparently, back in the late 1980s when the Austrian wine industry was pulling itself out of the hole dug by the ignominious diethelyne glycol incident, along with the quality control improvements required, they realized that to be taken seriously internationally, they needed to have red wines that would get attention on the worldwide market, and to properly promote them, it was important that they be associated with a specific region (worked for Napa and Bordeaux, right?) Burgenland was selected as this region, and massive amounts of money was allocated to emphasize Blaufränkisch, Zweigelt, and to a certain extent St Laurent were planted and the EU kicked in with scads of money to construct new, architecturally bitchin' wineries. Small amounts of Cabernet Sauvigon, Syrah, and Merlot were even planted to use in blends and make the wines safe for international buyers. The plan was successful and the world took notice and Austria (via Burgenland) was taken seriously by The World for its red wines, even though every somm and their mother were still focusing on Grüner Veltliner.
Fascinating that this was actually strategically planned with a long term vision. Usually getting a region to coalesce around varieties or a style is herding cats. Of course, showing up with bulging pockets of euros probably helped.
 
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
originally posted by Eden Mylunsch:
originally posted by Rahsaan:

I know folks have lots of views on whether these are overhyped/ageworthy, etc etc. I certainly can’t engage those debates, but I enjoyed my time with this.
Apparently, back in the late 1980s when the Austrian wine industry was pulling itself out of the hole dug by the ignominious diethelyne glycol incident, along with the quality control improvements required, they realized that to be taken seriously internationally, they needed to have red wines that would get attention on the worldwide market, and to properly promote them, it was important that they be associated with a specific region (worked for Napa and Bordeaux, right?) Burgenland was selected as this region, and massive amounts of money was allocated to emphasize Blaufränkisch, Zweigelt, and to a certain extent St Laurent were planted and the EU kicked in with scads of money to construct new, architecturally bitchin' wineries. Small amounts of Cabernet Sauvigon, Syrah, and Merlot were even planted to use in blends and make the wines safe for international buyers. The plan was successful and the world took notice and Austria (via Burgenland) was taken seriously by The World for its red wines, even though every somm and their mother were still focusing on Grüner Veltliner.
Fascinating that this was actually strategically planned with a long term vision. Usually getting a region to coalesce around varieties or a style is herding cats. Of course, showing up with bulging pockets of euros probably helped.

I have been amazed for a long time how Austria used the scandal for a thorough transformation of not just wine but all things agricultural/gastronomical and I have been wondering who was behind it. Hard to envision something like this happening without one or a few people really having a vision and a plan. As kids we did not like going to Austria, one main reason being the atrocious food. Schnitzel out of the deep fryer with packaged sauce being a classic. Now Austria in most regions (especially where wine is grown) has plentiful small places to eat local food with lots of excellent heirloom/organic products. Contrast that with Germany, where especially the Mosel or Rheinhessen still are culinary wastelands with only recently some emerging activities. Yet 40 years ago they were at strikingly similar levels.
 
originally posted by Eden Mylunsch:
originally posted by Rahsaan:

I know folks have lots of views on whether these are overhyped/ageworthy, etc etc. I certainly can’t engage those debates, but I enjoyed my time with this.

Hannes Schuster of Weingut Rosi Schuster has long been Roland's acolyte/mentee and is doing amazing work, particularly with his resurrection of the white wine tradition on his side of the Neusiedlersee.
I looked for some of the wines and found two. I just tried the 2020 Rosi Schuster Ried Underberg Grüner Veltliner. Excellent wine and one of the better GV I have had from the Burgenland. But, I don't really love Burgundland GV. Problem is that it costs $45 where I am and for half the price I can get Gobelsburg Grüner Veltliner Löss 2021 which aromatically is more interesting, higher in acidity and better balanced. I do think this wine would win over anyone with a new-world palate because it is so rich. I don't think I am splitting hairs. Anyway, I very much look forward to trying the Blaufränkisch soon.
 
Entranced by the Disorderly Siren call of this thread, I picked up 2020 Moric Blaufränkisch for a song today on sale at Astor. Get it while you can.

I’m really looking forward to my first try.
 
Warning: apologies in advance for any formatting screwups (anyone else ever try to reply to two posts in one response? Jeez, the politburo doesn't make it easy!!) but read on through and you'll figure out if there are any nuggets of info worth the slog...

originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
originally posted by Eden Mylunsch:
originally posted by Rahsaan:

Fascinating that this was actually strategically planned with a long term vision. Usually getting a region to coalesce around varieties or a style is herding cats.

They certainly had incentive to change their ways following the diethylene glycol incident -- if they hadn't gotten in front of the story with positive solutions the situation was on track to kill the Austrian wine export biz almost entirely. Alois Kracher rounded up the most important winemakers in the country to get proactive with doable solutions. By 1986 they'd developed quality control standards and enforced the new regulations under the aegis of the Austrian Wine Marketing Board. If you didn't abide by the rules, you couldn't export and you'd likely be shunned by your neighbors. Plenty of winemakers retired rather than deal with the new rules, bringing the next generation into the business. They were more aware of what was necessary to compete on the international market and were much more open to more natural farming regimens. Organic and biodynamic farming became the norm, rather than the exception, and groups such as Respekt were founded to take things to a greater extreme.

The AWMB did make sort of a unilateral decision to emphasize red varieties in the Burgenland region and not export whites. This brought new attention to Blaufränkisch and Zweigelt (not to mention Sankt Laurent and Pinot Noir) and gave the country's marketing program red wines to show internationally. White wine from the region pretty much stayed in the region to be enjoyed at the heurigers, but that's starting to change.

It was Alois Kracher who really brought everyone into line and set the pace. Seth Allen of Vin Divino imports assembled a formidable collection of important producers in the 1990s that brought many of Austria's finest producers to the USA, and Terry Theise/Skurnik followed with the rest. The internecine demise of Vin Divino (Italy vs Austria in a caged death match to the finish, motherfucker!!) served to open up the Austrian members of their portfolio to other importers, diluting the focussed sales but increasing breadth of Austrian coverage.

They've remained very organized ever since then, particularly under the leadership of Willi Klinger. Education is an important part of their mission, as are marketing reach-outs in the form of trade events around the world. I think that the acceptance of Austrian wine internationally has led to greater inspiration for the winemakers -- we're heading into the next generation in a lot of the families and the new group is respectful of what their parents accomplished since 1985 but have grown up being much more exposed to what's happening around the world in other wine regions. Many have done stages outside of Austria and have brought back winemaking techniques and ideologies that work well with the terroir and traditions of the individual Austrian wine regions. With but a few exceptions, they did not go with international grape varieties or overtly slutty production techniques but have pretty much seamlessly integrated their newfound knowledge with the traditions of the family/region and made better wine. There's a lot of biologically sound (ie: tastes good) orange and natural wines (particularly coming out of Steiermark) and winemakers such as Hannes Schuster are looking back a few generations in their region to seek inspiration.

originally posted by mark e:
originally posted by Eden Mylunsch:
originally posted by Rahsaan:


I looked for some of the wines and found two. I just tried the 2020 Rosi Schuster Ried Underberg Grüner Veltliner. Excellent wine and one of the better GV I have had from the Burgenland. But, I don't really love Burgundland GV. Problem is that it costs $45 where I am and for half the price I can get Gobelsburg Grüner Veltliner Löss 2021 which aromatically is more interesting, higher in acidity and better balanced. I do think this wine would win over anyone with a new-world palate because it is so rich. I don't think I am splitting hairs. Anyway, I very much look forward to trying the Blaufränkisch soon.

I'd have to agree that the Burgenland Grüners don't show the grace and overall elan of the GVs grown in Krems, Wachau, or Kamptal. I think that Leithaburg (in the hills with a little more elevation up from the Neusidlersee, a 26 mile by 7 mile lake that's only about 5 feet deep) offers the best shot at finesse, but we're in the early stages of the winemakers figuring it out. In my experience, they seem to have a little more grip and texture, and come off with a little more rusticity. This works great at the table, but for out-and-out drinking pleasure, I'd probably go with the Schloss Gobelsburg myself (in the top-10 of my thoughts about Austrian's most important producers.)

-Eden (who originally got into Austrian wine because I was a fan of Motley Crü, Hüsker Dü, and Blue Öyster Cult and grew curious about the umlaut. This obvously led to a curiosity about Grüner Veltliner and the perhaps-gratuitously-placed umlauted 'a' in Blaufränkisch and the rest is history)
 
Originally posted by mark e:

I looked for some of the wines and found two. I just tried the 2020 Rosi Schuster Ried Underberg Grüner Veltliner. Excellent wine and one of the better GV I have had from the Burgenland. But, I don't really love Burgundland GV. Problem is that it costs $45 where I am and for half the price I can get Gobelsburg Grüner Veltliner Löss 2021 which aromatically is more interesting, higher in acidity and better balanced. I do think this wine would win over anyone with a new-world palate because it is so rich. I don't think I am splitting hairs. Anyway, I very much look forward to trying the Blaufränkisch soon.
originally posted by Eden Mylunsch:

I'd have to agree that the Burgenland Grüners don't show the grace and overall elan of the GVs grown in Krems, Wachau, or Kamptal. I think that Leithaburg (in the hills with a little more elevation up from the Neusidlersee, a 26 mile by 7 mile lake that's only about 5 feet deep) offers the best shot at finesse, but we're in the early stages of the winemakers figuring it out. In my experience, they seem to have a little more grip and texture, and come off with a little more rusticity. This works great at the table, but for out-and-out drinking pleasure, I'd probably go with the Schloss Gobelsburg myself (in the top-10 of my thoughts about Austrian's most important producers.)

-Eden (who originally got into Austrian wine because I was a fan of Motley Crü, Hüsker Dü, and Blue Öyster Cult and grew curious about the umlaut. This obvously led to a curiosity about Grüner Veltliner and the perhaps-gratuitously-placed umlauted 'a' in Blaufränkisch and the rest is history)

Well I just opened 2020 Rosi Schuster Burgundland Blaufränkisch (12.5% abv). Now we're talkin'. Gorgeously aromatic and excellent typicity. Low on tannin and high on flavor intensity without a lot of body, but the balance is pretty much perfect. Well worth seeking out. Thanks for the recommendation.
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I regularly buy the basic bottling and prefer it the most. However, with a couple years of age the Reserve fills out nicely. I am currently enjoying my last bottles of the 2012. Not a buyer for the prestige bottling neither.

Recently I had the occasion to try Velich's Moric Gruner Veltliner Another Wine from a Gorgeous Place, I think the 2016. It was quite interesting. In a blind tasting I would fail horribly and maybe even place it in Burgundy. My stereotype for good GV is Gobelsburg or Ott and this has nothing to do with either. Maybe that's how GV from Burgenland taste?
 
originally posted by Anders Gautschi:
I regularly buy the basic bottling and prefer it the most. However, with a couple years of age the Reserve fills out nicely. I am currently enjoying my last bottles of the 2012. Not a buyer for the prestige bottling neither.

Recently I had the occasion to try Velich's Moric Gruner Veltliner Another Wine from a Gorgeous Place, I think the 2016. It was quite interesting. In a blind tasting I would fail horribly and maybe even place it in Burgundy. My stereotype for good GV is Gobelsburg or Ott and this has nothing to do with either. Maybe that's how GV from Burgenland taste?

I like the Moric GV a lot. And I totally agree that its style has more in common with a white burgundy than a GV from the Kamptal. Great food wine.
And before anyone complains about the stupid name, IIRC the vineyard is St. Georgen but for some legal issues it cannot be on the label so they tried a few iterations that all were not compliant enough until the current name was used.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Entranced by the Disorderly Siren call of this thread, I picked up 2020 Moric Blaufränkisch for a song today on sale at Astor. Get it while you can.

I’m really looking forward to my first try.

I ended up biting on this and finally got my wine delivered after Labor Day and my first glass was as delicious as promised and the 12.5% is such a relief that I now must restrain myself from buying the rest of it.
 
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