Some Wines Opened in 2022

Ian Fitzsimmons

Ian Fitzsimmons
2009 Domaine Jean Grivot Bourgogne

This wine is open and delicious now, with texture, depth, and sumptuous pinot fruit. A good regional Burgundy is as good in its way as a good 1er is in its.

2005 Chateau Thivin Côte de Brouilly

I squirreled a few bottles of the 2005 away for research purposes. This is lovely, with fresh, palate-cleansing acidity, strawberry-cherry tertiary flavors and aromas, and a pleasant veneer of fine, drying tannins on the finish. Not profound, but darned good. Worth a 17-year wait? Only if cellaring is no trouble, I would say, and also to witness the fascinating transition this wine undergoes. Weirdly little deposit thrown after 17 years.

2009 A. et P. de Villaine Mercurey Les Montots

Very good, drinking nicely now. Silk. Flavors reticent, as are aromas. In fact, it trades mostly on its texture alone. I'd expected more from this cuvee in this year; it doesn't feel as though it's holding much in reserve for future development, but the relatively mute character makes me wonder. Stranger things have happened in the world of wine than that this one should still blossom. Villaine's website says Montots can be held for 7-15 years, 'depending on the vintage.' This doesn't appear to be a 15-year vintage. But more flavor and depth develop by second day.

2010 Domaine Bernard Baudry Chinon Blanc La Croix Boissée

Very correct, slightly stern. After a bit, the merest hint of doux. Well-made, very Baudry. If Baudry sold stock, I'd give them as much of my money to work with as they could use.

2001 Joh. Jos. Prüm Wehlener Sonnenuhr Riesling Spätlese

Fine and delicate. Still a bit sweet on the finish and aftertaste. As good as Prum is, I can't find the same love in my heart for their wines that wells up when I drink a good Saar Riesling.

2009 Jean Foillard Morgon Côte du Py

It's been a journey sampling this unbeatable wine over the years since release. In a tremendous place now; the forward, delicious fruit of the last couple of bottles is dialing back a bit to come into even better balance with fresh - and refreshing - acidity. A true vin de garde, and a cru Beaujolais tending to contradict assertions of flabby wines in 2009. Not a ton of complexity, however.

2002 Grosset Riesling Polish Hill

This is excellent and, I'd say, coming into maturity under Stelvin. Still develops nicely after opening, in the glass and bottle, acquiring the slightly 'dirty' flavors of first-class aged dry Riesling. But I think, more risk than opportunity in holding longer than a few more years. OTOH, Stelvin ...

2005 Domaine Lafouge Pommard 1er Cru Les Chanlins

This is extremely good. Assertive acidity on opening resolves over a couple of hours to a broad mid-palate of balanced cherry fruit, acidity, with a substratum of drying tannins that is impossible to overlook but not out of place. What makes it good is the combination of glassy texture on entry, the broad palate, the attractive fruit flavor, and the overall balanced gestalt. This is only the second or third Pommard I've tasted, and it seems to fit the appellation profile to a T. Don't know if it's near the level of a Rugiens-bas from de Montille or Courcel, but its entirely satisfying at fraction of the cost. Hard to find.

2001 Gunderloch Nackenheim Rothenberg Riesling Spätlese

Good cork, coloring very slightly amber. Still sweet, though not aggressively so. To my palate, out of the bottle, this is beginning to tire. Still a beneficial adjunct to suitable foods, methinks, but unexciting as a sipper on its own. In this case, drink very cool for best effect.

2007 Domaine Chandon de Briailles Corton Blanc

This bottle tasted worlds better than the one I opened less that a year ago - good acidity, interesting edginess, engaging textural and aromatic qualities. From memory, no detailed notes, but I would say this is much more in line with what you'd expect from a bottle with Corton on its label (and no Aloxe).

2009 Clos Roche Blanche Touraine Cuvée Côt

Leaner than I recalled from prior bottles. Fairly refined tannins, pencil lead, pleasantly lithe, textually. I didn't get a lot of flavor behind the tannins, and don't recall the aromas in any detail. Impression of a well-made, rather rustic cabernet-ish red with appealing sincerity.

2008 Domaine Chandon de Briailles Pernand-Vergelesses 1er Cru Ile des Vergelesses

This bottle is starting to open, some flavor seeping through the still ample tannins, but not really at its best. Over three nights, it improved steadily, developing into a really interesting wine with engaging complexity and depth, good balance, and still that bit of austerity and restraint. There was cherry, no doubt, but my main impression was of coffee and almost a bit of chocolate. Tannins were still durable and ample, but it didn't matter because the other interesting characteristics stood up to them. Really the most satisfying bottle I've enjoyed in a very long time.

2002 Karthäuserhof Eitelsbacher Karthäuserhofberg Riesling Spätlese

This wine is simply divine, even day after opening, even for a guy who has sworn off residual sugar. Both this bottle and the 2008 Chandon de Briailles I opened at the same time, are object lessons in the logic of buying wines to cellar for 10-30 years. Unless you're willing to put down a lot of money at restaurants with deep cellars, or are adept at auction scouting, there's no other way to get these flavors into your life.

2010 Domaine Tortochot Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru Champeaux

This bottle was three or four years shy of ready. Tannins cover the flavors like an iron curtain, dense and drying. Third day after opening, the fruit does burst through impressively, but the slightly sharp acid and still-firm tannins distract rather than compliment. At that point, for lovers of young Burgundy, perhaps it would push the right buttons. I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of fruit that emerges. Double Moe-Curly for this wine on day one (even with a decent pre-airing). Double Curly-Larry-Moe for the wine three days out. Promising!
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

Unless you're willing to put down a lot of money at restaurant with deep cellars, or are adept at auction scouting, there's no other way to get these flavors into your life.

Truer words have rarely been spoken. My problem is that I'm not drinking with as much alacrity as I'd estimated I would be back when I was buying "for the future." I'm maybe a decade+ behind at this point. And that's just with the wines I know I have (I'm not much one for keeping inventories.) Your notes are inspiring — it's time to go spelunking for my errant 2001 JJ Prum and 09 Cru Beaujolais bottles.

-Eden (with a few exceptions, "deep" restaurant cellars around here tend to boast of their ancient 2018 Daou "Soul of a Lion" or 2017 Seasmoke "Ten" so even if I had big bucks, the selection isn't there. At least corkage fees seem to top out at $15/btl)
 
I salivate at the memories of 2002 Karthäuserhof Spätlese. Too good.

I need to drink a bottle of 09 foillard cdp in the presence of a wine geek of stature who has expressed fondness for the juice that has not failed to bore me into a state of vinous stupor since about 2014. Good news is that there are plenty of candidates among present company, and I have bottles to spare.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
I salivate at the memories of 2002 Karthäuserhof Spätlese. Too good.

I need to drink a bottle of 09 foillard cdp in the presence of a wine geek of stature who has expressed fondness for the juice that has not failed to bore me into a state of vinous stupor since about 2014. Good news is that there are plenty of candidates among present company, and I have bottles to spare.

This sounds like an invitation to me. So noted.

Mark Lipton
(Preparing to enter the ranks of the empty nesters)
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
2005 Domaine Lafouge Pommard 1er Cru Les Chanlins

...This is only the second or third Pommard I've tasted, and it seems to fit the appellation profile to a T. Don't know if it's near the level of a Rugiens-bas from de Montille or Courcel...
Gotta say nope. You should drink more Pommard!
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Some Wines Opened in 2022
2005 Domaine Lafouge Pommard 1er Cru Les Chanlins
[. . .] Don't know if it's near the level of a Rugiens-bas from de Montille or Courcel, [. . .]
De Courcel Rugiens is from the upper part, on the white soils. It easily disproves the old saw that Rugiens-bas is the best part of Rugiens (and if you're still not convinced, try de Courcel's village Vaumuriens, above Rugiens). The explanation of Yves Confuron, who makes the de Courcel wines, is that if you look at the old photos of Rugiens, the upper part was not planted, so no one really knew what the potential was.

I've never tasted Lafouge's Pommard-Chanlins from any vintage, but based on other Lafouge wines I've had, I'd be amazed if it was anywhere near what de Courcel produces, or even de Montille. But there is plenty of mediocre Rugiens and it may well surpass them.
 
originally posted by Eden Mylunsch:
... My problem is that I'm not drinking with as much alacrity as I'd estimated I would be back when I was buying "for the future." ...
Yes.

originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
I salivate at the memories of 2002 Karthäuserhof Spätlese. Too good.
I have more, and Auslese. Drop by.

By the way, related, have you encountered the 2002 Schloss Saarstein Serringer Schloss Saarsteiner Auslese? I stumbled over a pile and wonder if it's too soon to get into them. Thanks.

I need to drink a bottle of 09 foillard cdp in the presence of a wine geek of stature who has expressed fondness for the juice that has not failed to bore me into a state of vinous stupor since about 2014. Good news is that there are plenty of candidates among present company, and I have bottles to spare.
For no good reason, my last bottle of this wine is a double magnum. So ... if anyone plans to hold a Foillard memorial Bacchanal one day, please be in touch. But, sorry to hear the wine bores you.

originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Gotta say nope. You should drink more Pommard!
I've more or less stopped buying, at least Burgundy, but I have a few bottles of 2009 Jadot Rugiens to try starting 2030.

originally posted by Claude Kolm:
De Courcel Rugiens is from the upper part, on the white soils. It easily disproves the old saw that Rugiens-bas is the best part of Rugiens (and if you're still not convinced, try de Courcel's village Vaumuriens, above Rugiens). The explanation of Yves Confuron, who makes the de Courcel wines, is that if you look at the old photos of Rugiens, the upper part was not planted, so no one really knew what the potential was.

I've never tasted Lafouge's Pommard-Chanlins from any vintage, but based on other Lafouge wines I've had, I'd be amazed if it was anywhere near what de Courcel produces, or even de Montille. But there is plenty of mediocre Rugiens and it may well surpass them.
We are fortunate to have some pros on the board to help keep the tyros among us honest [insert the 'not facetious' emoji here].

For all I know, this is mediocre Pommard, but I liked it. What I've heard about Courcel's 1ers is that they take a very long time in the cellar to come around. True?

FWIW, unrelated to the above, I'm drinking a 2010 Louis Michel Montee de Tonnerre at this moment - best bottle of this I've tasted yet, and this is the second day after opening.

Cheers all.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
For all I know, this is mediocre Pommard, but I liked it. What I've heard about Courcel's 1ers is that they take a very long time in the cellar to come around. True?

To the extent an isolated example extrapolates -- Yes, true.

We had a dinner not too long ago with Monsieur Courcel (the elder) and he served a 2006 1er Cru which I was quite taken with and purchased. Pricey, but it served me well.

He was an impressive, nice gentleman, by the way...and, thus, a good salesman.

. . . . . . . Pete
 
Once again, it appears I have either missed the memo or, worse, have accidentally discarded it along with an overflow of junk mail. When did Courcel come back to life? Most of the wines from the 90s and 00s were at best underwhelming following breathtaking examples of Pommard from the 80s that I was lucky to taste. Not only were they amazing but, contrary to what has been suggested here, were an outlier among my favorite Pommards in that they fit Jeff Connell's old adage: "drink now or sometime over the next 30 years." Looking forward to a copy of that memo.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
What I've heard about Courcel's 1ers is that they take a very long time in the cellar to come around. True?
Yes, but maybe less so than in the past. You can approach the 2008 now, which is not really the case for the 1999 and 2002 last time I had them. But de Courcel's vines (as with most of Pommard and Volnay) have been subject to plenty of horrors of frost and hail in the past 20 years or so.
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
I salivate at the memories of 2002 Karthäuserhof Spätlese. Too good.

... 09 foillard cdp ... I have bottles to spare.

These must have been handed out as party favors once-upon-a-time as it seems many of us are in the same predicament.
 
Y'all inspired me to open the '09 Foillard last night ('09 Beaujolais being one Disorderly topic that will never die).

The first thing I noticed is that it's Imported by Kermit Lynch (man, that was a great thread).

It's hard to be too mad about drinking it - the fruit is apparent, pretty, joyful. Lacking acid of course, and a touch of what I consider typical Foillard funk (please don't ask me to elaborate on that, I don't know what I mean).

I've followed all the debates around aging of Beaujolais, and Muscadet, and I'm in violent agreement with both sides.

For the moment, I don't plan to sleep much longer on these and similar wines.
 
Thanks for the notes, Ian. I actually own a couple bottles of that Grosset (only Australian wine in my cellar).

I just checked my inventory to see if I had any of that Karthauserhof and I see that I bought three bottles but somehow managed to give all three bottles I owned away! I do still have some of the 01 auction spatlese, and my note on a bottle drunk November 2020 is “boy, is this delicious!” Ian, if you plan to be in town any time in the next few months, let me know and I will chill a bottle for us.

Eden, nice to see you back!
 
originally posted by maureen:

Eden, nice to see you back!

Nice to be back, thank you very much. As the man said in the punchline to that old joke: "Everybody's gotta be somewhere!" I've not been nowhere at all, just plying my trade in other plains of existence (like, Texas)

-Eden (and you really ought to look into more Oz wines -- things are changing and their wines aren't all like they all used to be. It's been years since I've seen anyone do anything quaint and stereotypical like put another shrimp on the barbie)
 
A friend in our offline group started collecting Aussie wines pre-Parker. Some that he has brought from the early to mid 90s from wineries before they went to the dark side have been excellent.
 
originally posted by maureen:
Thanks for the notes, Ian. I actually own a couple bottles of that Grosset (only Australian wine in my cellar).

I just checked my inventory to see if I had any of that Karthauserhof and I see that I bought three bottles but somehow managed to give all three bottles I owned away! I do still have some of the 01 auction spatlese, and my note on a bottle drunk November 2020 is “boy, is this delicious!” Ian, if you plan to be in town any time in the next few months, let me know and I will chill a bottle for us.

Eden, nice to see you back!

Thanks for this gracious invitation, Maureen, it would be a pleasure to catch up with you if all we opened was flavored soda water. I'm overdue for a pilgrimage to the Museum of Natural History, and will touch base if I manage to get a DC trip scheduled in August-September.
 
originally posted by Eden Mylunsch:
... (and you really ought to look into more Oz wines -- things are changing and their wines aren't all like they all used to be. It's been years since I've seen anyone do anything quaint and stereotypical like put another shrimp on the barbie)

Why not be the the evangelist of the new Australian Zeitgeist, Eden, and spread its gospel among the benighted oenophilic heathens milling about on this board?

Seriously, I bet most of us would like to know more about good wines from down under, and I doubt any of us (or many, at least) would hold a residual Texas twang against you.
 
originally posted by Larry Stein:
A friend in our offline group started collecting Aussie wines pre-Parker. Some that he has brought from the early to mid 90s from wineries before they went to the dark side have been excellent.
One of the more fun wine dinners I ever hosted was a "good Aussie" dinner with some Mt. Edelstone, Langi, Mt. Mary, John Riddoch from that period.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
originally posted by Larry Stein:
A friend in our offline group started collecting Aussie wines pre-Parker. Some that he has brought from the early to mid 90s from wineries before they went to the dark side have been excellent.
One of the more fun wine dinners I ever hosted was a "good Aussie" dinner with some Mt. Edelstone, Langi, Mt. Mary, John Riddoch from that period.
I remember that - it was a blast. I think that was the point when I got hooked on Grosset Polish Hill, and started buying it whenever I saw it available.

This discussion's tempting me to queue up a Silkman Semillon for the weekend.

Also if we ever want to do a reprise of that dinner, I still have a few more of those Wendourees and a lone '96 John Riddoch...
 
originally posted by Nathan Odem:
Y'all inspired me to open the '09 Foillard last night ('09 Beaujolais being one Disorderly topic that will never die).

The first thing I noticed is that it's Imported by Kermit Lynch (man, that was a great thread).

It's hard to be too mad about drinking it - the fruit is apparent, pretty, joyful. Lacking acid of course, and a touch of what I consider typical Foillard funk (please don't ask me to elaborate on that, I don't know what I mean).

I've followed all the debates around aging of Beaujolais, and Muscadet, and I'm in violent agreement with both sides.

For the moment, I don't plan to sleep much longer on these and similar wines.

I think the important question is, what is similar?
 
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