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Christian Miller (CMM)

Christian Miller
Three whites from off the beaten paths, that just might be of interest to someone out there.

Bonny Doon Arroyo Secco "Le Cigare Blanc" 2017: med-light gold with brassy green hint. The aroma has Meyers lemon with hints of green olive, almond, smoke, slight oxidation. Medium body, decent acid, marcona almond inflected lemon-rosemary and aldahydic quince fruit on the palate; quite dry, with an expanding finish, a touch of phenolic. 55% Grenache Blanc, 45% Roussane, 14.4% alc, screwcap. This has come along nicely since I last tasted it a few years ago.

Ch. Tahbilk Marsanne 1927 Nagambie Lakes, Victoria 2014: Pale gold-brass with a strong, complex aroma of lemon curd with a touch of manzanilla/fino, pomello pith, rosemary/tarragon; zesty but integrated acid; med body, citrus fruit, dry finish with some orange-wine like texture; petrichor/gravelley toned medium length finish. But I'm not articulate enough to really convey how different this wine smells and tastes from anything else I've had. Per the winery: produced from the estate’s Marsanne vines planted in 1927. The fruit is harvested early at high natural acid levels. No SO2 added at first and the juice is allowed to fully oxidise. The clean juice is fermented at 11° to 15°C. Supposedly the resultant wine is pale, flavorless and with high acid, but after six years of bottle aging "the magic happens." Screwcap, carbon neutral winery. This may not be my favorite wine of 2022, but so far it is hands down the most interesting.

Elizabeth Prataviera Cotes de Gascogne "Haut Marin" 2020: Very pale gold with an aroma like herbaceous limey fruit tinged with fenugreek; light body, good acid, fresh, grapefruit/key lime with touch of pithy bitterness, ripe melon in the medium length finish. Classy and interesting for $12, and just 11.5% alc. 60% Colombard, 20% SB, 20% Gros Manseng, screwcap.
 
Wow, you have some penchant for funky wines. Let's see... aldehydic, then petrichor, then fenugreek.

Though I'll admit that the Tahbilk does sound really interesting.
 
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
TN: cool whites

Ch. Tahbilk Marsanne 1927 Nagambie Lakes, Victoria 2014: Pale gold-brass with a strong, complex aroma of lemon curd with a touch of manzanilla/fino, pomello pith, rosemary/tarragon; zesty but integrated acid; med body, citrus fruit, dry finish with some orange-wine like texture; petrichor/gravelley toned medium length finish. But I'm not articulate enough to really convey how different this wine smells and tastes from anything else I've had. Per the winery: produced from the estate’s Marsanne vines planted in 1927. The fruit is harvested early at high natural acid levels. No SO2 added at first and the juice is allowed to fully oxidise. The clean juice is fermented at 11° to 15°C. Supposedly the resultant wine is pale, flavorless and with high acid, but after six years of bottle aging "the magic happens." Screwcap, carbon neutral winery. This may not be my favorite wine of 2022, but so far it is hands down the most interesting.
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Christian, I accidentally have a 2002 of this wine. I say accidentally because I didn't mean to keep it so long. But it's also a hard wine to find a time to open. Might be too much to drink a bottle by oneself, even over a couple days. And hard to pair with company. I think you live in Berkeley -- I live in Oakland. We should gather some local Disorderlies and put my 2002 out of its misery.
 
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
TN: cool whites

Ch. Tahbilk Marsanne 1927 Nagambie Lakes, Victoria 2014: Pale gold-brass with a strong, complex aroma of lemon curd with a touch of manzanilla/fino, pomello pith, rosemary/tarragon; zesty but integrated acid; med body, citrus fruit, dry finish with some orange-wine like texture; petrichor/gravelley toned medium length finish. But I'm not articulate enough to really convey how different this wine smells and tastes from anything else I've had. Per the winery: produced from the estate’s Marsanne vines planted in 1927. The fruit is harvested early at high natural acid levels. No SO2 added at first and the juice is allowed to fully oxidise. The clean juice is fermented at 11° to 15°C. Supposedly the resultant wine is pale, flavorless and with high acid, but after six years of bottle aging "the magic happens." Screwcap, carbon neutral winery. This may not be my favorite wine of 2022, but so far it is hands down the most interesting.
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Christian, I accidentally have a 2002 of this wine. I say accidentally because I didn't mean to keep it so long. But it's also a hard wine to find a time to open. Might be too much to drink a bottle by oneself, even over a couple days. And hard to pair with company. I think you like in Berkeley -- I live in Oakland. We should gather some local Disorderlies and put my 2002 out of its misery.
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I actually have a bottle of 2002 Bregeon Muscadet White Label if people are interested in doing a 2002 Disorderly White Wine theme.
 
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
TN: cool whites

Ch. Tahbilk Marsanne 1927 Nagambie Lakes, Victoria 2014: Pale gold-brass with a strong, complex aroma of lemon curd with a touch of manzanilla/fino, pomello pith, rosemary/tarragon; zesty but integrated acid; med body, citrus fruit, dry finish with some orange-wine like texture; petrichor/gravelley toned medium length finish. But I'm not articulate enough to really convey how different this wine smells and tastes from anything else I've had. Per the winery: produced from the estate’s Marsanne vines planted in 1927. The fruit is harvested early at high natural acid levels. No SO2 added at first and the juice is allowed to fully oxidise. The clean juice is fermented at 11° to 15°C. Supposedly the resultant wine is pale, flavorless and with high acid, but after six years of bottle aging "the magic happens." Screwcap, carbon neutral winery. This may not be my favorite wine of 2022, but so far it is hands down the most interesting.
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Christian, I accidentally have a 2002 of this wine. I say accidentally because I didn't mean to keep it so long. But it's also a hard wine to find a time to open. Might be too much to drink a bottle by oneself, even over a couple days. And hard to pair with company. I think you live in Berkeley -- I live in Oakland. We should gather some local Disorderlies and put my 2002 out of its misery.
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Based on the 2014 I tasted, I think there's a chance it's not entirely over-the-hill.
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
TN: cool whites

Ch. Tahbilk Marsanne 1927 Nagambie Lakes, Victoria 2014: Pale gold-brass with a strong, complex aroma of lemon curd with a touch of manzanilla/fino, pomello pith, rosemary/tarragon; zesty but integrated acid; med body, citrus fruit, dry finish with some orange-wine like texture; petrichor/gravelley toned medium length finish. But I'm not articulate enough to really convey how different this wine smells and tastes from anything else I've had. Per the winery: produced from the estate’s Marsanne vines planted in 1927. The fruit is harvested early at high natural acid levels. No SO2 added at first and the juice is allowed to fully oxidise. The clean juice is fermented at 11° to 15°C. Supposedly the resultant wine is pale, flavorless and with high acid, but after six years of bottle aging "the magic happens." Screwcap, carbon neutral winery. This may not be my favorite wine of 2022, but so far it is hands down the most interesting.
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Christian, I accidentally have a 2002 of this wine. I say accidentally because I didn't mean to keep it so long. But it's also a hard wine to find a time to open. Might be too much to drink a bottle by oneself, even over a couple days. And hard to pair with company. I think you like in Berkeley -- I live in Oakland. We should gather some local Disorderlies and put my 2002 out of its misery.
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I actually have a bottle of 2002 Bregeon Muscadet White Label if people are interested in doing a 2002 Disorderly White Wine theme.
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I don't think have any 2002 whites, although if decrepitude is the theme, I have some Barberas, and a Zin or Burgundy from much further back that would fit. Some ancient Chalone Pinot Blanc (which might have actually been Melon?) for an old white wine evening. Or maybe it could be "wines we forgot about in our cellars." Anyway, I'd be pleased to do an East Bay jeebus per Jim's suggestion. My September is pretty booked - October?
 
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
originally posted by Yule Kim:
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):
TN: cool whites

Ch. Tahbilk Marsanne 1927 Nagambie Lakes, Victoria 2014: Pale gold-brass with a strong, complex aroma of lemon curd with a touch of manzanilla/fino, pomello pith, rosemary/tarragon; zesty but integrated acid; med body, citrus fruit, dry finish with some orange-wine like texture; petrichor/gravelley toned medium length finish. But I'm not articulate enough to really convey how different this wine smells and tastes from anything else I've had. Per the winery: produced from the estate’s Marsanne vines planted in 1927. The fruit is harvested early at high natural acid levels. No SO2 added at first and the juice is allowed to fully oxidise. The clean juice is fermented at 11° to 15°C. Supposedly the resultant wine is pale, flavorless and with high acid, but after six years of bottle aging "the magic happens." Screwcap, carbon neutral winery. This may not be my favorite wine of 2022, but so far it is hands down the most interesting.
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Christian, I accidentally have a 2002 of this wine. I say accidentally because I didn't mean to keep it so long. But it's also a hard wine to find a time to open. Might be too much to drink a bottle by oneself, even over a couple days. And hard to pair with company. I think you like in Berkeley -- I live in Oakland. We should gather some local Disorderlies and put my 2002 out of its misery.
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I actually have a bottle of 2002 Bregeon Muscadet White Label if people are interested in doing a 2002 Disorderly White Wine theme.
Click to expand...

I don't think have any 2002 whites, although if decrepitude is the theme, I have some Barberas, and a Zin or Burgundy from much further back that would fit. Some ancient Chalone Pinot Blanc (which might have actually been Melon?) for an old white wine evening. Or maybe it could be "wines we forgot about in our cellars." Anyway, I'd be pleased to do an East Bay jeebus per Jim's suggestion. My September is pretty booked - October?
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Yeah, I'm a little concerned my Bregeons are past peak (I have a 2002 and 2005) -- I think the White Label are the Reserve (at least per the Kermit Lynch website), which I read are very age-able, but I really have no idea what the aging curve is. I don't have any experience with them.

And sometime in October would work for me too.
 
I can host dinners at The Wolf in Oakland without corkage. They give us a couple nice glasses and a pretty quiet spot, usually on the porch near some open windows. (Yule can vouch.) How about October 26 or 27? As a concept, I suggest we do wines you'd like to share with Disorderlies. Don't have to be old.
 
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
I can host dinners at The Wolf in Oakland without corkage. They give us a couple nice glasses and a pretty quiet spot, usually on the porch near some open windows. (Yule can vouch.) How about October 26 or 27? As a concept, I suggest we do wines you'd like to share with Disorderlies. Don't have to be old.
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That sounds tempting. My October schedule is still in flux, but I could mark October 26 or 27, cross my fingers and check in again at the end of September. Does anyone else want to propose a place and time?
 
Alright, let's plan this for October 26 at 7:00 at The Wolf in Oakland. Wines you've been holding (intentionally or not) to share with other Disorderlies. Who's in?
 
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
Alright, let's plan this for October 26 at 7:00 at The Wolf in Oakland. Wines you've been holding (intentionally or not) to share with other Disorderlies. Who's in?
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I'm in. Thank you for organizing Jim.
 
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
Alright, let's plan this for October 26 at 7:00 at The Wolf in Oakland. Wines you've been holding (intentionally or not) to share with other Disorderlies. Who's in?
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Arlene and I can come.
 
originally posted by Everett Bandman:
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
Alright, let's plan this for October 26 at 7:00 at The Wolf in Oakland. Wines you've been holding (intentionally or not) to share with other Disorderlies. Who's in?
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Arlene and I can come.
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That's great, Everett. I don't think we've met, and will be nice to do so.
 
I'd like to get an idea of who can attend this dinner in Oakland on October 26. I'm going to open a new thread on the Jeebus board and please reply there. Thanks!
 
We have a reservation for six at 7:15. Everett is confirmed with a guest. Anyone else, please reach out to me or post. Thanks
 
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