Three Boring Beaunes

[Levi Dalton]

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Rahsaan:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
heat damage?

It seemed more like sweet oak than heat damage caramel. But what do I know.

Does my description sound off for a 2002 Morot?

No. Boring for all three sounds about right.

I've really never found much interest in Beaune 1er Cru. Savigny, yes.

I have had some spectacular aged Jadot Beaune-Clos des Ursules. Beaune-Greves also comes to mind as having merit. Likes the Beaune-Greves of Michel Lafarge, for instance.

 

[Tom Blach]

originally posted by Rahsaan:

originally posted by Tom Blach:
I think the 02 might well tighten up and become a satisfactory drink.

So you don't find the style to be too caramelly and confected?

I can imagine that the fruit will recede with time and I might like it more once the structure is more present. But something about the sweet soft caramel made me think that I would never really love the wine and would not necessarily need to buy more to gamble on it.

No guarantees, but sometimes with this kind of thing the wine can just snap out of it and become an adult drink. I'm not an advocate of opening 02s now, it must be said.

 

[Bob Semon]

Why do I not know of this venue where one is forced to drink Vajra? I want my eternal soul to linger there. Well..., I should probably look at the menu first.

 

[Cole Kendall]

Ask for Mr. Parrot's table on Monday night at Bar Pilar.

 

[MarkS]

originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):

originally posted by Rahsaan:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
heat damage?

It seemed more like sweet oak than heat damage caramel. But what do I know.

Does my description sound off for a 2002 Morot?

I don't know about 2002, but it sounds very off for Morot historically. IMHO, when Morot burgundies aren't good, it's because they are dried out and rustic, with insufficient fruit for the tannin and old wood flavors. When they are good, they are among my favorites. But maybe they changed house style, I think the most recent one I have tasted was 2000.

This sounds more like my experience with Morot. Most recently, I've had a stash of 2001's that have changed depending on their mood, some good, some closed and where some oak stood out. Vintages from the 80's and 1990 and 91 have been good, especially when paying anywhere from $15-23/bottle.
I don't know what you paid for your Marconnets, (which is not their best vineyard I think), but it sounds like it might not be your style.

 

[Rahsaan]

originally posted by MarkS:
Marconnets, (which is not their best vineyard I think

What are their better vineyards?

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Rahsaan:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
heat damage?

It seemed more like sweet oak than heat damage caramel. But what do I know.

Does my description sound off for a 2002 Morot?

No. Boring for all three sounds about right.

I've really never found much interest in Beaune 1er Cru. Savigny, yes.

any opinion on pavelot?

Pavelot is excellent. So are Bize Chandon de Brailles. More controversially perhaps, I also like the Dominode bottlings from both Clair and Jadot.

For whatever reason, there are many strong producers in Savigny.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Levi Dalton:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Rahsaan:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
heat damage?

It seemed more like sweet oak than heat damage caramel. But what do I know.

Does my description sound off for a 2002 Morot?

No. Boring for all three sounds about right.

I've really never found much interest in Beaune 1er Cru. Savigny, yes.

I have had some spectacular aged Jadot Beaune-Clos des Ursules. Beaune-Greves also comes to mind as having merit. Likes the Beaune-Greves of Michel Lafarge, for instance.

2.5% in the tail of the distribution, that's all.

 

[MarkS]

originally posted by Rahsaan:

originally posted by MarkS:
Marconnets, (which is not their best vineyard I think

What are their better vineyards?

Well, I'm not sure what the ranking is, but I've always had soft spots for the Cent Vignes and the Bressandes. But, like you've said, I'd save your money.

 

[Rahsaan]

originally posted by Tom Blach:
I'm not an advocate of opening 02s now, it must be said.

Somehow I suspected that. :)

 

[Rahsaan]

originally posted by MarkS:
Well, I'm not sure what the ranking is, but I've always had soft spots for the Cent Vignes and the Bressandes. But, like you've said, I'd save your money.

Ok.

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by VLM:

Pavelot is excellent. So are Bize Chandon de Brailles. More controversially perhaps, I also like the Dominode bottlings from both Clair and Jadot.

For whatever reason, there are many strong producers in Savigny.

That's my take, too. Savigny's become my go-to region for reasonably priced Burgundy. There's nothing wrong with older vintages of Ecard, either.

Mark Lipton

 

[VLM]

originally posted by MLipton:

originally posted by VLM:

Pavelot is excellent. So are Bize Chandon de Brailles. More controversially perhaps, I also like the Dominode bottlings from both Clair and Jadot.

For whatever reason, there are many strong producers in Savigny.

That's my take, too. Savigny's become my go-to region for reasonably priced Burgundy. There's nothing wrong with older vintages of Ecard, either.

Mark Lipton

Agreed. Haven't had the recent efforts, so I can't comment on them.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

I'm surprised at the enthusiasm for Pavelot. I find his wines to be real clunkers.

Marchal makes (or made, to my tastes, through 2005) lovely Savigny.

Daniel Largeot is a good producer of Beaune and also Savigny, Chorey.

 

[Arjun Mendiratta]

What does clunkers mean to you? Seriously.

I also like Guillemot in Savigny. I have never seen Largeot over here, but I'll keep an eye out.

 

[Bill Lundstrom]

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
I'm surprised at the enthusiasm for Pavelot. I find his wines to be real clunkers.

Marchal makes (or made, to my tastes, through 2005) lovely Savigny.

Daniel Largeot is a good producer of Beaune and also Savigny, Chorey.

pavelot's '05's have the stuffing to be long lived and very, very good.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

Arjun: Rustic and heavy-handed, lacking finesse.

Bill: Unfortunately, I can see the long-lived, but didn't find them very good.

 

[Jay Miller]

originally posted by Levi Dalton:

originally posted by VLM:

originally posted by Rahsaan:

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
heat damage?

It seemed more like sweet oak than heat damage caramel. But what do I know.

Does my description sound off for a 2002 Morot?

No. Boring for all three sounds about right.

I've really never found much interest in Beaune 1er Cru. Savigny, yes.

I have had some spectacular aged Jadot Beaune-Clos des Ursules. Beaune-Greves also comes to mind as having merit. Likes the Beaune-Greves of Michel Lafarge, for instance.

And Drouhin's Beaune Greves and Beaune Clos des Mouches.

In Savigny I like Pavelot, Bize, Rollin, Chandon de Briailles and Marechale.

 

[Tom Blach]

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Arjun: Rustic and heavy-handed, lacking finesse.

Bill: Unfortunately, I can see the long-lived, but didn't find them very good.

There is a certain rusticity in Savigny,which is what it is, but I can only think you've been opening them young when they don't show well. They are quite serious wines meant for ageing.

 

[Jeff Grossman]

An 01 Pavelot "Gravains" drunk in 06 was quite lovely.