Cabernet glass?

Peter Creasey

Peter Creasey

Peter Creasey
This glass is 8.25" tall and 4.5" widest point of bowl. I have a bunch of them.

I personally like them for Cabernet Sauvignon because: (i) they allow more exposure to air which is desirable for California Cabernets; and (ii) they allow good flow into the mouth.

Any thoughts for suitability of this glass being used with Calif Cabernet Sauvignons?

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Thanks.

. . . . . Pete
 
Don't think it matters, but in this case I'm thinking particularly about Napa Cabernets (perhaps Calistoga). I think it is beneficial to maximize exposure to air for most all modern-day California Cabernet Sauvignons.

. . . . . Pete
 
There's no good California cabernet glass. I've tried California cabernet out of hundreds of different glasses and they're terrible every single time! Hopefully one of these days the glassmakers will figure out what they've been doing wrong.
 
Keith, what would be your reaction about the glass (compared to other choices) if someone served you an upscale Cabernet in the glass shown in the original posting?

. . . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
There's no good California cabernet glass. I've tried California cabernet out of hundreds of different glasses and they're terrible every single time! Hopefully one of these days the glassmakers will figure out what they've been doing wrong.
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You funny, too.
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Keith, what would be your reaction about the glass (compared to other choices) if someone served you an upscale Cabernet in the glass shown in the original posting?

. . . . . . Pete
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The issue is really the original post itself. On this board lovers of California Cabernet Sauvignon are few and far between; you may be the only one. The question, too, is what exactly is an "upscale" Cabernet. One might assume: high in extraction, alcohol, and oak. Likely expensive. Likely coming from Napa Valley.

In any case, it looks like a cheap glass, but that does not mean a given wine tastes bad in it.
 
Mark, thanks. Yes, I'm aware of all of that but decided to play it straight and see what might be offered up here.

I have some nice older Cabernet Sauvignons (in the old style), but I haven't bought a Cabernet Sauvignon in years.

I don't worry about the apparent cost of the glass, just am curious as to whether it is a bad idea in wine enthusiasts' minds for (older) Cabernet Sauvignons.

. . . . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Keith, what would be your reaction about the glass (compared to other choices) if someone served you an upscale Cabernet in the glass shown in the original posting?

. . . . . . Pete
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On a serious note, the custom perhaps wisely counsels against a wide bowl for anything at the >14.5%-and-up level that upscale CA cabernet probably connotes, but if you took the same glass and made the bowl taller, it would come out looking like a typical cabernet glass but still have the same bowl width. And in any event once you put the wine in your mouth the glass shape is irrelevant, regardless what Mr. Reidel claims. So, at the end of the day, my considered view is that glass shape doesn't matter for much and everyone should buy whichever ones they think look cool and have good fahrvegnugen in the hand. I confess to breaking my own rule in that I still can't bring myself to pour Burgundy in the Jancis glass I use for everything else, Mr. Reidel apparently having succeeded in glamouring me into thinking it needs a wide bowl, so pinot gets the Conterno glass or the Zalto Bordeaux.
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Mark, thanks. Yes, I'm aware of all of that but decided to play it straight and see what might be offered up here.

I have some nice older Cabernet Sauvignons (in the old style), but I haven't bought a Cabernet Sauvignon in years.

I don't worry about the apparent cost of the glass, just am curious as to whether it is a bad idea in wine enthusiasts' minds for (older) Cabernet Sauvignons.

. . . . . . . Pete
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Some of the best wines I've tasted have been California Cabs, admittedly mainly from the 70s & early 90s, but I even like some of the current generation.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
originally posted by Peter Creasey:

Keith, what would be your reaction about the glass (compared to other choices) if someone served you an upscale Cabernet in the glass shown in the original posting?

. . . . . . Pete
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On a serious note, the custom perhaps wisely counsels against a wide bowl for anything at the >14.5%-and-up level that upscale CA cabernet probably connotes, but if you took the same glass and made the bowl taller, it would come out looking like a typical cabernet glass but still have the same bowl width. And in any event once you put the wine in your mouth the glass shape is irrelevant, regardless what Mr. Reidel claims. So, at the end of the day, my considered view is that glass shape doesn't matter for much and everyone should buy whichever ones they think look cool and have good fahrvegnugen in the hand. I confess to breaking my own rule in that I still can't bring myself to pour Burgundy in the Jancis glass I use for everything else, Mr. Reidel apparently having succeeded in glamouring me into thinking it needs a wide bowl, so pinot gets the Conterno glass or the Zalto Bordeaux.
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I'm in your camp. For most occasions, my main criteria are lack of fragility & fitting in a dishwasher.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
I confess to breaking my own rule in that I still can't bring myself to pour Burgundy in the Jancis glass I use for everything else, Mr. Reidel apparently having succeeded in glamouring me into thinking it needs a wide bowl, so pinot gets the Conterno glass or the Zalto Bordeaux.
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Wide bowls for Burgundy were traditional long before Riedel, although he did an excellent job of redesigning them for Burgundy.
 
originally posted by Christian Miller (CMM):


Some of the best wines I've tasted have been California Cabs, admittedly mainly from the 70s & early 90s, but I even like some of the current generation.
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Absolutely, and I'm happy to still have a few chosen bottles from the 1970s in my cellar, even though I hardly drink Cabernet/Bordeaux any more.
 
originally posted by mark e:
On this board lovers of California Cabernet Sauvignon are few and far between; you may be the only one. The question, too, is what exactly is an "upscale" Cabernet. One might assume: high in extraction, alcohol, and oak. Likely expensive. Likely coming from Napa Valley.
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nope, just in the past year my generous friends treated me to stunning cabs from the 70s and 80s, that included chappellet, mondavi, heitz, mayacamas, spring mountain, and a few others.

coincidentally, I did bring a "cabernet" glass to one of these tastings in addition to riedel vinum bordeaux I typically use for the genre. It was a ravenscroft amplifier cabernet, a badass 10 inch-tall 28 ounce glass with a fairly large bowl but a (relatively) narrow rim. I only own one; it was a gift. To my surprise, a number of the cabs had better balance and were more expressive in this vessel compared to the vinum. Who knew?
 
originally posted by Peter Creasey: originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov: ravenscroft amplifier cabernet, a badass 10 inch-tall 28 ounce glass with a fairly large bowl but a (relatively) narrow rim.
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Interesting...

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. . . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
originally posted by mark e:
On this board lovers of California Cabernet Sauvignon are few and far between; you may be the only one. The question, too, is what exactly is an "upscale" Cabernet. One might assume: high in extraction, alcohol, and oak. Likely expensive. Likely coming from Napa Valley.
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just in the past year my generous friends treated me to stunning cabs from the 70s and 80s, that included chappellet, mondavi, heitz, mayacamas, spring mountain, and a few others.
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Um, I have never heard anyone call those "upscale" cabs (well, maybe Martha's Vineyard), though I expect they might be expensive if one were to buy them now.
 
originally posted by mark e:
Um, I have never heard anyone call those "upscale" cabs (well, maybe Martha's Vineyard), though I expect they might be expensive if one were to buy them now.
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sorry, i just can't keep up with all the politically correct terminology!
 
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