TN: Salt + Ginger + Mark (Jan 15, 2023)

Jeff Grossman

Jeff Grossman
attendees: Mark Lipton, Rahsaan, Don + Melissa, Jay + Arnold, Jeff

The Professor is in town to professionally opine. But that's tomorrow. So, tonight he Jeebs.

A nice crowd gathers at Salt + Ginger, a Shanghainese restaurant in Jersey City, not too far from the digs of the inestimable Jay Miller. We are given a long table along the long wall, smiles from the staff -- well, except for the very serious man who showed, cut, and served the Beggar's Chicken.

It is a great pleasure to share a table again with Mark and Rahsaan, and also to see both Arnold and Melissa in person! Conversation dives deep into work topics -- we're all so very interesting! -- and an update on Mark's vineyard.

We order a panoply of dishes: the aforementioned Beggar's Chicken (a whole chicken wrapped in lotus leaves and wrapped again in dough), wine-soaked chicken, soy sauce cooked chicken legs, roast quail, garlic noodles, eggplant and green beans, bean sprouts and pickled vegetables, mapo tofu, sea bass blossom, 13-spice shrimp, and two desserts, pumpkin sticky rice and, ahem, the other one.

Shanghai cuisine has a reputation for slightly sweet preps but I did not think that was especially in evidence tonight. In fact, the foods were all very well-behaved, from a wine vantage: a not-at-all hot mapo tofu, plain roasts or fried foods, many things tangy but not sharp, with only the 13-spice shrimp making a powerful impact.

And Bacchus' Chinese avatar (whichever of the half-dozen I found) was kind to us, too:

The Marigny 2020 Piquette - 4.2%, a "wine-like beverage" with a long history, this is what you get when you run water through pomace; this one is from pinot noir, very fizzy, dry, smells of roses, the palate is watery all right but it might be really good over ice on a hot day or maybe ginned-up like sant'gria

Rollin 2010 Pernand-Vergelesses Blanc 1er "Sous Fretille" - a Jay Miller Standard Offering (JMSO™), good acidity, good freshness, long and subtle, another excellent bottle of this (and you all know white Burgundy is not my thing)

Falkenstein 2020 Krettnacher Euchariusberg Riesling Spatlese "Mammen" - AP 13 (3 525 672 13 21), 8%, colorless, pretty and long but a bit diffuse and not intensely present, flowery and slightly tart, maybe wait a bit before pulling the next one so it has time to wake up
Day 3: it's awake now, still fresh and zippy, good ripeness (think: clementines) with just enough sweetness to make it 'bendable' in the mouth (instead of crackling-crisp like a Kabinett), clings to your tongue a while but still not really long on the finish

Meulenhof (Justen) 2019 Erdener Treppchen Riesling Spatlese "Alte Reben" - AP 2 582 038 11 20, 10%, this one, on the other hand, is raring to go: pale gold color, wow intensity, warm and full, maybe even plush, the red slate soils are being very kind to these old vines, continues amazing all evening

Joly 1996 Savennieres "Coulee de Serrant" - 14%, last of Don's stash (which he said showed about half good bottles and half meh), this is a good one: clean, full, complex, showing a little age, yellow fruit and rocks in abundance

Amirault 1996 Bourgueil "Le Petit Cave" - 12%, one of their better vineyards but I tasted a typical dirty Loire cab franc, others like it more than I did

Ch. Rauzan-Segla 1988 Margaux - 12.5%, another JMSO™, this is another great bottle, lemony-blackberry fruit and turned earth, outstanding with the various roast birds
Day 3: still good, maybe vaguely school-paste-y or is that just cab franc?, in any case it's sturdy yummy stuff

Edmunds St. John 2012 Syrah, Fenaughty Vyd - 14.1%, very syrah, just slightly sweet, lots of stuffing and also very glyceral, wow wine
Day 3: how can this still show so powerfully? and so pure? there's still moss-covered rocks and running river-water and wet earth and cranberry sauce, the touch of sweetness is less visible now

Maximin Grunhauser 1999 Abtsberg Riesling Auslese - AP 3 536 014 7 00, 7.5%, juicy but mild on the palate, only delicately sweet, attractive wine from a so-so year

Falkenstein 2015 Krettnacher Euchariusberg Riesling Auslese - AP 3 525 672 5 16, 7%, sharper than the Grunhauser, cool and slightly licoricey, also not too sweet

After a few hours at the table it appeared that a few hours had passed. The restaurant did not offer fortune cookies, which is for the best really. However, as Jay had an over-supply of homemade oatmeal-raisin cookies, we did each leave the jeebus with a goodie bag. (They were very good!)

Till the next time.
 
First of all, thanks to everyone who showed up. Your generosity with the wines was most appreciated. And thanks especially to Jay for arranging the event (and the cookies!) and to Jeff for his work as scribe. The food I thought was excellent, but the Beggar’s Chicken was my DOTN. It was great to meet Melissa and Arnold, and to reconnect with the rest of you.

The Marigny 2020 Piquette - 4.2%, a "wine-like beverage" with a long history, this is what you get when you run water through pomace; this one is from pinot noir, very fizzy, dry, smells of roses, the palate is watery all right but it might be really good over ice on a hot day or maybe ginned-up like sant'gria

Rollin 2010 Pernand-Vergelesses Blanc 1er "Sous Fretille" - a Jay Miller Standard Offering (JMSO), good acidity, good freshness, long and subtle, another excellent bottle of this (and you all know white Burgundy is not my thing)

The Marigny was light and uncomplicated. It reminded me of a watered down Bugey-Cerdon, more or less. I’m another that doesn’t go in for White Burgundy as a rule, but I am a big fan of Rollin’s reds. For a Chardonnay, this was excellent: fresh and lively and not too much oak influence.

Falkenstein 2020 Krettnacher Euchariusberg Riesling Spatlese "Mammen" - AP 13 (3 525 672 13 21), 8%, colorless, pretty and long but a bit diffuse and not intensely present, flowery and slightly tart, maybe wait a bit before pulling the next one so it has time to wake up
Day 3: it's awake now, still fresh and zippy, good ripeness (think: clementines) with just enough sweetness to make it 'bendable' in the mouth (instead of crackling-crisp like a Kabinett), clings to your tongue a while but still not really long on the finish

Meulenhof (Justen) 2019 Erdener Treppchen Riesling Spatlese "Alte Reben" - AP 2 582 038 11 20, 10%, this one, on the other hand, is raring to go: pale gold color, wow intensity, warm and full, maybe even plush, the red slate soils are being very kind to these old vines, continues amazing all evening

What an interesting contrast these two wines made. The Falkenstein was fascinating, so light and delicate on the palate. I’d have guessed Kab had I not been told it was a Spätlese. The Meulenhof OTOH fairly screamed Spätlese and punched you in the face with its fruit and acidity. Even so, though, it was never heavy or ponderous and went fabulously with the food, especially the ma Bo tofu.

Joly 1996 Savennieres "Coulee de Serrant" - 14%, last of Don's stash (which he said showed about half good bottles and half meh), this is a good one: clean, full, complex, showing a little age, yellow fruit and rocks in abundance
. Only one bottle of Chenin at a jeeb? Heaven forfend! But a lovely bottle this was: crisp, clean, minerally and not in the least bit oxidative.

Amirault 1996 Bourgueil "Le Petit Cave" - 12%, one of their better vineyards but I tasted a typical dirty Loire cab franc, others like it more than I did

Ch. Rauzan-Segla 1988 Margaux - 12.5%, another JMSO, this is another great bottle, lemony-blackberry fruit and turned earth, outstanding with the various roast birds
Day 3: still good, maybe vaguely school-paste-y or is that just cab franc?, in any case it's sturdy yummy stuff

Edmunds St. John 2012 Syrah, Fenaughty Vyd - 14.1%, very syrah, just slightly sweet, lots of stuffing and also very glyceral, wow wine
Day 3: how can this still show so powerfully? and so pure? there's still moss-covered rocks and running river-water and wet earth and cranberry sauce, the touch of sweetness is less visible now

I thought that the Bourgueil was an excellent example of Cab Franc, quite clean and free to me of any offputting sense of greenness. It also had nicely resolved tannins and was easy to drink, if still mostly primary still. I got the sense that this could go another decade.

The Rauzan-Segla was singing, plenty of earth and leather atop a core of dark fruit. The structure was still quite firm, too. Thanks, Jay!

The ESJ was incredible: so juicy and fruit-filled when first tasted, with silky tannins. Visited a half hour later it had gained a lot of savory complexity. I have rarely encountered a Syrah from Steve that open yet still so primary. Though I greatly enjoyed all 3 reds, this was my WOTN.

Maximin Grunhauser 1999 Abtsberg Riesling Auslese - AP 3 536 014 7 00, 7.5%, juicy but mild on the palate, only delicately sweet, attractive wine from a so-so year

Falkenstein 2015 Krettnacher Euchariusberg Riesling Auslese - AP 3 525 672 5 16, 7%, sharper than the Grunhauser, cool and slightly licoricey, also not too sweet

Another fascinating contrast of Rieslings. The family resemblance of the Falkenstein wines was quite evident. Even this young Auslese had a remarkable lightness on the palate. The Grünhauser was much more typical Auslese, but still as you say in a lighter vein.

Thanks again to everyone for their generosity and camaraderie.

Mark Lipton
 
Thanks for the notes. I thought it was a great dinner firing on all fronts: food, wine, and company.

Amirault 1996 Bourgueil "Le Petit Cave" - 12%, one of their better vineyards but I tasted a typical dirty Loire cab franc, others like it more than I did...

I thought that the Bourgueil was an excellent example of Cab Franc, quite clean and free to me of any offputting sense of greenness. It also had nicely resolved tannins and was easy to drink, if still mostly primary still. I got the sense that this could go another decade.

Interesting notes. I forget everyone's idiosyncrasies, but do I take this to mean that Jeff is not the biggest fan of aging cab franc? I didn't find the Amirault dirty in a bretty funky sense, although it was on the thinner side and not as rich as the other two reds. I thought all three red wines were really delicious, each in their own way, and I was happy to have them all!
 
Personally I thought the sauce on the sea bass was sickly sweet.

Other than that (which I hadn't had before) food was very good with the chicken the obvious star of the evening.

That Meulenhof was really firing on all cylinders. This wasn't mine but I've bought a fair amount of their Alte Reben bottlings over the years ever since Salil introduced me to them at the late lamented Soul Flavors.

RS was perfect with the chicken. And I mean perfect. Bordeaux and roast chicken. Did anyone know that was a thing?

While I know he likes it I took the opportunity of Jayson being in Japan to open another of the Rollins since I'm afraid he might get tired of them. I love it so I bought a bunch.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:

RS was perfect with the chicken. And I mean perfect. Bordeaux and roast chicken. Did anyone know that was a thing?

I've never begged for a chicken, but perhaps the lotus leaves (or any herbs that may have been used) synergize with RS's infamous leafy tobacco mid-to-back palate?

Is it possible that the guy cutting up Beggar's chicken is a cousin of the very serious fellow who presents and serves the PD at PDH East?
 
originally posted by Pavel Tchichikov:
Is it possible that the guy cutting up Beggar's chicken is a cousin of the very serious fellow who presents and serves the PD at PDH East?
Now that you mention it....
 
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