FWIW

Florida Jim

Florida Jim
The 2021 Louis Claude Desvignes, Morgon Javernieres, I opened a week ago was shut down hard. It remained that way thru 5 days (tasted daily) and then started to show a little - but not much.
Fair warning; this is a very cranky wine these days.
Best, Jim
 
Thanks. I thought the ‘20 was pretty cranky the first couple days too. Then pretty darn good. It got fresher.

With my current wine-buying hiatus, though, I may pass on 2021 Desvignes and plan to break the hiatus when the 2021 Roilette Griffe is released toward the end of the year.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
FWIWThe 2021 Louis Claude Desvignes, Morgon Javernieres, I opened a week ago was shut down hard. It remained that way thru 5 days (tasted daily) and then started to show a little - but not much.
Fair warning; this is a very cranky wine these days.
Best, Jim

A month ago you said that this was wonderful on days one and two. Has it shut down so severely just because a month has passed, or do you suspect quite significant bottle variation?
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Agree about the ‘20.
I don’t think I’ve ever had a Griffe - single vineyard?

Same block of old vines as Tardive but raised in used Burgundy barrels instead of foudre. I've got a bunch and will open next time we see each other if you're interested.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Thanks. I thought the ‘20 was pretty cranky the first couple days too. Then pretty darn good. It got fresher.

With my current wine-buying hiatus, though, I may pass on 2021 Desvignes and plan to break the hiatus when the 2021 Roilette Griffe is released toward the end of the year.

A wine buying hiatus sounds like a great idea.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Agree about the ‘20.
I don’t think I’ve ever had a Griffe - single vineyard?

Same block of old vines as Tardive but raised in used Burgundy barrels instead of foudre. I've got a bunch and will open next time we see each other if you're interested.

Yes. Not sure how they determine which grapes go into which. Or if there is, in fact, a subparcel for Griffe du Marquis. I was not too enamored with 2018-2020, 2019 the best and least overtly solar of the three, especially given how good the 2017 was/is.
 
VLM,
I’m interested.

Oswaldo,
Only guessing but I think it just decided to go to sleep. But I’m not that good at diagnosis. Or prognosis. Or whichever one applies.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Thanks. I thought the ‘20 was pretty cranky the first couple days too. Then pretty darn good. It got fresher.

With my current wine-buying hiatus, though, I may pass on 2021 Desvignes and plan to break the hiatus when the 2021 Roilette Griffe is released toward the end of the year.

A wine buying hiatus sounds like a great idea.

as long as he doesn't go into a wine-drinking hiatus.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Agree about the ‘20.
I don’t think I’ve ever had a Griffe - single vineyard?

Same block of old vines as Tardive but raised in used Burgundy barrels instead of foudre. I've got a bunch and will open next time we see each other if you're interested.

Yes. Not sure how they determine which grapes go into which. Or if there is, in fact, a subparcel for Griffe du Marquis. I was not too enamored with 2018-2020, 2019 the best and least overtly solar of the three, especially given how good the 2017 was/is.

Young Jayson is a big fan of the 2009.
 
Good to hear from those of you repeatedly tasting the 21 Javernieres. I tried a bottle a few weeks ago, after reading all these gushing notes. And it was certainly correct and a lovely meal accompaniment. But I did not gush.
 
In my (not huge) experience, the Desvignes Javernières takes forever to open up, so I was excited by Jim’s report last month that the 2021 was kickin’ ass so early in life. Hoping for a change in the winemaking régime, sort of like happened with Henri Gouges, I got meself three bottles.

On the day they arrived came Jim’s follow-up report that the beast had shut down hard. And then Rahsaan came out with an intermediate impression. Curiouser and curiouser, last night (a Root canal night) I opened one, hoping the ones on this side of the pond might behave differently.

Two hour decant. Smells like non-carbonic Gamay, which calls for an aside: this morning I checked some sites and they all say Desvignes is semi-carbonic. But then they say things like "The house style is not the easy, candied “carbonic” style favored by many in the region; ... Desvignes prefers to express his terroir in a more classical, Burgundian approach, though he eschews oak for concrete." (Flatiron site).

Ok, so he does a carbonic that doesn't smell or taste carbonic, perhaps because he wants to produce "wines (that) age terrifically and take on the character of Pinot Noir" (Louis Dressner site). I guess I want my Beaujolais to smell and taste carbonic -- without the attendant homogenization --, something I find in the best Gang of 4/5 examples and, reliably, Chateau Thivin, especially the Zaccharie. And which I don't find with Brun, which is why I don't buy Brun, though a fine winemaker he is.

Going back to the Javernières, it had a slight CO2 tingle, pleasant red fruit flavors, somewhat generic, with no cedar in sight (like the first note said; I love cedar). So, while I fall somewhere in the Rahsaan non-gushworthy camp, I guess this needs to slumber now before it becomes something I don't want it to become.
 
Digging into the wines mentioned by Oswaldo:

As has been said before, Brun is totally disinterested in carbonic, he de-stems, maceration lasts nearly a month, all in concrete: click

Ch. Thivin is approx. the opposite: no de-stemming, maceration barely lasts two weeks (and then using a gentle press), all barrels of various ages: click

Where stands Desvignes between these two? Well, a little de-stemming, still short maceration, but all in concrete: click, click

All have lovely old vines, all have South and East facing vineyards of decomposed volcanic soils with lots of iron in them, all work organically (or thereabouts).

So, what drives Oswaldo's palate? Perhaps it's the carbonic. Perhaps it's a slight micro-ox from the wooden barrels vs the concrete. Perhaps it's the terroir (three different places here)?
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Digging into the wines mentioned by Oswaldo:

So, what drives Oswaldo's palate? Perhaps it's the carbonic. Perhaps it's a slight micro-ox from the wooden barrels vs the concrete. Perhaps it's the terroir (three different places here)?

At a higher level, expectations of what Bojo is and isn’t and also preference? Hard to discombobulate all that. For any of us.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:

Two hour decant. Smells like non-carbonic Gamay...

Ok, so he does a carbonic that doesn't smell or taste carbonic...

This was my exact reaction to the wine, and the same confusion after consulting web info. Thanks for clearing up in this thread.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Digging into the wines mentioned by Oswaldo:

So, what drives Oswaldo's palate? Perhaps it's the carbonic. Perhaps it's a slight micro-ox from the wooden barrels vs the concrete. Perhaps it's the terroir (three different places here)?

At a higher level, expectations of what Bojo is and isn’t and also preference? Hard to discombobulate all that. For any of us.

At an even higher level, I may have been an orthodox monk in a previous life, because I just love those ecclesiastical or Byzantine incense aromas that embedded in my soul during my internship at Hagia Sophia. I get them in all my "ideal-type" Beaujolais, as well as many semi-carbonic natural wines. In the latter, these intoxicating aromas of Isfahan always give me an initial sensory pleasure, followed by a mental rejection of a cultural birthright that isn't theirs. In my mind, it belongs to the Bojos.
 
Different strokes as I can barely stand to be in the room with incense burning (usually I leave - same with scented candle or some soap shops) but I never particularly associated those aromatics with Beaujolais.
 
You know, I actually feel similarly to Jayson but I also get something on the nose of Beaujolais that “incense” comes pretty close to - maybe face powder, maybe a waxy spice - whatever, I got the reference.
One of the great things about wine; it’s what you find.
 
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