FWIW

I think I understand what you smell on Beaujolais but I wouldn't call it incense. That term is reserved for kinda sandalwood-heavy fragrances, usually from too much wood applied in elevage. I would use 'face powder' or 'old lady handkerchief' most likely.
 
Too bad we can't all sit around a table with a glass of archetype in our hands, refining our terminology, perhaps reaching consensus, assuming we all perceive similarly.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Digging into the wines mentioned by Oswaldo:

As has been said before, Brun is totally disinterested in carbonic, he de-stems, maceration lasts nearly a month, all in concrete: click

Ch. Thivin is approx. the opposite: no de-stemming, maceration barely lasts two weeks (and then using a gentle press), all barrels of various ages: click

Where stands Desvignes between these two? Well, a little de-stemming, still short maceration, but all in concrete: click, click

All have lovely old vines, all have South and East facing vineyards of decomposed volcanic soils with lots of iron in them, all work organically (or thereabouts).

So, what drives Oswaldo's palate? Perhaps it's the carbonic. Perhaps it's a slight micro-ox from the wooden barrels vs the concrete. Perhaps it's the terroir (three different places here)?
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As you noted, Desvignes and Thivin have similar maceration periods, so the explanation wouldn't lie there.

A little destemming, by Desvignes, prevents that fraction of destemmed grapes from macerating intracelularly/anaerobically, which is what gives the different modes of carbonic their distinctive aromas. So, some of the answer might lie there.
 
Third of three 2021 Louis Claude Desvignes Morgon Javernières was unequivocally and unreservedly lovely last night (and in a semi-carbonic register).
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Thanks. I thought the ‘20 was pretty cranky the first couple days too. Then pretty darn good. It got fresher.

With my current wine-buying hiatus, though, I may pass on 2021 Desvignes and plan to break the hiatus when the 2021 Roilette Griffe is released toward the end of the year.
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Has anyone tried the 2021 Griffe du Marquis yet? The ‘17 was pretty great recently. For whatever reason I have much better success finding an open and accessible bottle with the Griffe compared with the Tardive. Maybe the smaller barrels work better in this regard?

I loved reading this thread again. Desvignes I always thought of being stern and requiring a lot of time, especially with vintages like 2005. Will have to try them again.
 
originally posted by BJ:
Yeah me too Marc.

Hope all is well up in B'ham...enjoy the lovely day!
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It’s counterintuitive kinda.
When I first heard about about the Griffe bottle I thought small oak, not for me! But I love them so there you go. The ‘17 had all the semi carbonic spicy notes Oswaldo would love plus a perfect balance of just ripe fruit and acid, like the blackberries around here before they get too ripe.

Gorgeous here, it’s been a real Goldilocks summer.
 
Been singing the praises of the 2017 Griffe for the last 4 years. It’s an extraordinary Beaujolais for my taste. Looking forward to 2021 as I haven’t had it yet, but it’s a wine that I will probably break my buying hiatus to squirrel away.
 
originally posted by Marc D:
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Thanks. I thought the ‘20 was pretty cranky the first couple days too. Then pretty darn good. It got fresher.

With my current wine-buying hiatus, though, I may pass on 2021 Desvignes and plan to break the hiatus when the 2021 Roilette Griffe is released toward the end of the year.
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Has anyone tried the 2021 Griffe du Marquis yet? The ‘17 was pretty great recently. For whatever reason I have much better success finding an open and accessible bottle with the Griffe compared with the Tardive. Maybe the smaller barrels work better in this regard?

I loved reading this thread again. Desvignes I always thought of being stern and requiring a lot of time, especially with vintages like 2005. Will have to try them again.
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I was making googley eyes at a bottle of 2005 Desvignes Javerniers recently. The recent CT notes counsel patience, however, and I was dissuaded from exploring this particular frontier.
 
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
Been singing the praises of the 2017 Griffe for the last 4 years. It’s an extraordinary Beaujolais for my taste. Looking forward to 2021 as I haven’t had it yet, but it’s a wine that I will probably break my buying hiatus to squirrel away.
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I just noticed that I still have a couple bottles of the '17 Griffe. Maybe for the next pull.
 
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